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are cliches used differently in different genres?

well, the example of cole porter points out: they are used differently by different lyricists

many lyricists use cliches or twists on cliches for effect

another thing is that if the "new" cliche is coming from film and song (make my day, etc. -- not coming from tv -- partially this is because films are marketed using catch phrases and tag lines and trailer moments), the writer of the would - be cliche is motivated to write the would - be cliche

at the same time that, perhaps, one has to wonder: what about cliches in poetry, then

if verse plays and poems (the well turned phrase, never so well said) were originally the source of cliche, but now the more ubiquitous media (and most lucrative to write) are now cliche mines

also -- and I think probably like never before the last 50 years -- we have sonic cliches -- riffs, solos; we have visual cliches, gags, whole scenes and situations: we are all attuned to the hackneyed, the overused, the easy

and some of us are suckers for it, and some of us find humor in it, perhaps more humor in twists on these "idiot savant commonplaces" than in new things ("ring of truth/familiarity"), and some of us don't

roses are red, violets are blue, hand me the potato chips
roses are red, violets are blue, hand me the potatoe chips

roses are red, violets are blue, your eyes are brown, send in the clowns


cliches in pop songs

the problem is, work from the cliches or songs?

these have a relationship to mondegreens, although I think a more sophisticated one to language, in the sense that cliches -- from onomonotepia or however that is spelled -- in the source of the label "cliche") (I like to think of the suck sound from decanning canned refriend beans) -- are from poems and into lyric and then misunderstood as mondegreens -- a sort of reverse o.

heart of stone
heart of gold
heat of the moment

knock on wood

heart in the right place

lock stock ... and teardrops
lock stock ... and two smoking barrels

shit hits the fan

ships pass in the night


one night stand

oince bitten twice shy

[actually, is there a cliche that is not a rock lyric????]

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from a post to spidertangle (from a convo. of them) I hope to pursue these ideas this way

according to the english language definitions, mathematic + al = of the nature of mathematics

I'm merely pointing out that mathematics is a symbolic language that is written, that describes; by limiting it to arithmetic as simile and metaphor, you are limiting the many ways that it can (and does) become literature. For example, mathematical terminology often comes from plain language but takes on different meanings: and, or, is, equivalent, limit, union, conjunction, set, series, sequence, empty. Then my previous examples of analysis, functions, mathematical theory...

Arithmetic and metaphor are rudimentary tools; not to say a would be writer can't or shouldn't use them, or that they are bad, or that I don't; I just prefer more sophisticated literary techne.

The reason I think this is so important is that in science or technology -- springing from math -- there is a lot of overlapping confusion from this underlying math and literature confusion. Mathematics can also be a humanities study, and so it can relate to literature as, say, history does.

Visual poetry, like performance poetry, by contrast, can embrace the possibility of becoming literature, (visual) art, or both.


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Watching Hogan's Heroes, Ron wikipedia-ed it

all actors playing germans (klink, schultz, etc.) were jewish; almost all were camp survivors who had family members (parents, etc.) who perished; many also served in the us army

didn't air on german tv until 92; was re-dubbed to have regional german accents (made funnier); german government tried to get it cancelled

"I see nothing!"