_los punkinhedz_
money mark nishita, john wicks and watt in some improv jams

friday, december 2 at 8 pm
at the sacred grounds coffee house
468 w. sixth st.
san pedro, ca
(310) 514-0800
all ages, free admission

_mike watt + the secondmen_
featuring original secondmen pete mazich and jerry trebotic

saturday, december 3 at 9 pm
opening for the legendary germs (3/4 of them)
whoa, whoa, whoa!
at the key club
9039 sunset bl.
west hollywood, ca
(310) 274-5800

mike watt *live on kuci*

sun, dec. 4
4-6pm (california time)

on smoke signals from the burnpile
guest host steve sherlock presents bassist
mike watt. mike is the living embodiment of
the punk rock spirit. as a founding member of
the highly influential minutemen, he created
one of the most important bodies of work in
the american underground canon, delivering
adventurous, fiercely polemical music
informed by such disparate traditions as
funk, folk, and free jazz. a discussion about
his latest film, "we jam econo," and his
current residency with iggy & the stooges
will also be conducted during the broadcast..

» http://theminutemen.com
» http://hootpage.com

how can you listen?

we broadcast at 88.9fm to the irvine, ca and
uci area. kuci can be heard in mission viejo,
santa ana, costa mesa, newport beach, orange,
tustin and on a cloudy day: fullerton and
maybe even diamond bar.

since we do have a comparatively limited
signal we have put together a high capacity
webcast at 128k, cd-quality for those with
fast connections and a 24k, low-quality
stream for dialup connections which enables
us to be heard anywhere in the world.

[ spiel will stream at http://kuci.org ]


Poetry Reading - Saturday, December 3, 2005, 6-8pm

Molly Bendall will be reading poems from her new book, "Illuminations" designed by Gloria Kondrup with prints by John O'Brien as part of the exhibition "Pagine Veneziane" on Saturday, December 3, 2005, 6-8pm in the Gallery.

John O'Brien
Pagine Veneziane
November 10 - December 18

Kristi Engle Gallery
Spring Arts Tower
453 South Spring Street, Ste. 741
Los Angeles, CA 90013

There is still one remaining Downtown Art Walk scheduled this year:
Thursday, December 8, 2005
12pm - 9 pm * Free Admission

Participants in the Downtown Art Walk include the Museum of Contemporary Art on Grand Avenue (MOCA), Los Angeles Public Library, L. A. Artcore Center, 2nd Street Cigars and Gallery, de Soto, M. J. Higgins, Pharmaka, Los Angeles Center for Digital Art, El Nopal Press, Bert Green Fine Art, Niche.LA/Lounge 441, Kristi Engle Gallery, Art Murmur Gallery, 626 Gallery, Modern Art Downtown, Gallery 727, The Hive Gallery, Infusion Gallery, Museum of Neon Art (MONA), and the Downtown Art Gallery.
there is hard research (I met one researcher when I taught at Antioch) that indicates that the reasons that young women -- even those in highly selective schools with specialties in math and science such as like Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and CalTech -- leave the majors in droves IF THEY CAN. so devastating is the prejudice, the hazing, the silence that is a lack of support, that almost all women who can -- because they come from a middle class background, because they have aptitudes in language arts or management as well as in mathematics and science, etc. -- leave, while only women who can't -- on student visa from a non-English speaking country, with a scholarship only for study in math or sciences -- stick with the sciences. I would suggest, based on my own experience, that the situation is nearly identical for women in the technical professions. Banking and law, back in the 80s, were two bright spots.

I would also add that technical education is continuing -- it ages too quickly; that the best preparation for the professions remains liberal arts, not "pre" whatever. I would also suggest that the worst career counselors are academics or those counselors working in academia.

There is a list for making the transition from academia through the Woodrow Wilson Foundation -- http://www.woodrow.org/ -- as well as nice internships and fellowships.

As for the new listmember from OSU -- welcome! OSU is notorious for not supporting its grads. I know; my husband is one.


is the list that they have; sometimes it helps to think of yourself as making a mid-career change; it is not as good for the arts as for the humanities, I think, because artists tend to continue to make their art, while only a small fraction of humanities grads continue their research and publication when they leave the field which rewards that -- again, law and banking are somewhat more tolerant about what one does on one's own time, and how that can feed good performance 8-6.
In this discussion, naming / nominalism, identity, social class, and status have been variously collapsed and combined in a way that I have not seen easily usefully applied to poetry -- in other words, a discussion of names, identity, whatnot among people who work with words, names, identity, class, and status in writing every day.

what is most astounding to me in thus discussion is the collapse into the idea "status" of class, economics, post-Marxism, humanities, the arts, and the sciences in a way bound to be incendiary on a list where the majority is self-identified feminist writers with a background in the arts and humanities, employed in writing, arts, education or arts administration, or education

as with naming, education and ideas of it are societal, but I wonder at how the difference between the experience of mostly female artists and educators -- feminised fields -- "on the ground" in contemporary American society and that of cultural studies-mediated understandings of the experience of women in 18th century Britain are continually elided in this discussion

and how we all feel the anomalous anecdote that shews New Historicism to be a critical blind alley is only combated by the emotional personal anecdote
If you find yourself near Chinatown this Sunday afternoon, stop by Mountain Bar to celebrate the launch of the latest issue of Log. Collaborator Florencia Pita and I contributed to this edition. Festivities are sponsored by the Los Angeles Forum for Architecture.

forum holiday party + launch of log 6
Sunday, December 4, 5pm on
Mountain Bar, 475 Gin Ling Way, L.A.

Dim sum will be served.

Editor Cynthia Davidson will speak briefly about the birth of Log in the aftermath of Any. Log 6 contributors who will be in attendance include Forum President Kazys Varnelis, Teddy Cruz, Tom Gilmore, Craig Hodgetts, Wes Jones, Bruna Mori, Florencia Pita, and newly appointed director of the Canadian Centre for Architecture Mirko Zardini.



On the one hand, I think it is particularly important to not push women into more vocational fields, because we have historically been pushed in that direction. I know that in teaching, I had a hard time coming to terms with the push of my more talented undergrads in a votech direction from the counseling office -- while I realized that they were being pragmatic, technical fields change too rapidly for higher education -- which I view as long term -- they require continuing education, IMO. My best writers or most driven junior coworkers were pushed to become medical assistants and low-level network technicians rather than reporters or managers.

Of course, there are always the professions, and I think that's fine, but there's absolutely no need to forgo a liberal arts education before beginning law school, business school, or medical school.

I remember a considerable push from the extended family (not my immediate family) towards my learning how to repair computers!, which I wisely resisted.

I also wonder about the wisdom of discouraging women from pursuing female-dominated professions. The Mrs. degree at my undergrad institution was art history, and led to a number of young women getting nice curator, interior design, and etc. jobs of the kind I would have liked (and still would like); I remember renaissance, medieval, and etc. studies being somewhat akin to the art history degree in purportedly leading a young woman with an amount of family money or a comfortable marital situation a pleasant and interesting career. I recognize that my writing is now seen in the same light.

I just think the idea that very many young women are seeking to solve their problems with marriage and child-bearing, and so have to be pushed toward something like telecoms to be feminists and "full human beings" is disingenuous and distasteful.

When will Americans stop making blanket generalizations or recommendations about the treatment of all people based on preventing stupid people from being stupid?



more completely out of context posts not sent to WOMPO -- maybe I should post my whole set --- this posted due to the locution "social language"

Well, I'll disagree with that. Feminism and sexism are different. I can definitely say that patriarchal naming is a sexist practice ingrained in American society, and support my point well, without referring to any of the anecdotes shared on this list (individual contexts). I can also say that name changing at marriage is not a feminist practice, because name changing is a sexist survival in our social language.

To say these things is neither meaningless, nor does it particularly condemn feminists who do not take great umbrage at sexist language and its social applications.

this from my REFORMATION research

Well, marriage wasn’t a sacrament – it wasn’t sacred & it wasn’t a church-mediated ritual – until just before the reformation (about the time of the institution of mandatory celibacy for catholic priests (note: not monastics)).

There is nothing sacred about marriage in the christian religious sense, or, rather, there is nothing sacred about marriage in the religious sense which is not an example of cultural imperialism.

Interestingly, during the cold war, the nuns who were my teachers emphasized the small size of the state weddings (you just sign a book! you take the train! there aren’t a bajillion attendants!) in the soviet union and the cultural survivors of christian weddings in them, which I faultily recall as “top of cake” dresses and VEILS of all things.

this about adjuncting and marriage, which ended up in this discussion being not about career and marriage and feminism but nepotism:

I've been trying to follow this, but I'm not quite sure I understand -- are these just couples who have dual appointments and different surnames? Or are these couples who have dual appointments and different surnames _and_ deliberately attempt to disguise their marital status?

That a new adjunct would not be aware of everyone's marital status is not surprising; that an adjunct would be badmouthing anyone would be.

That a married woman who chose to keep her name would also choose to keep her career path, even one at the same company, as separate as possible from her husband's is not surprising, and seems really healthy.

But this bitterness at dual appointment couples where the women keeps her maiden name is somewhat difficult for me to identify except as adjunct bitterness, which is real, especially in the case where the adjunct of the couple is making a career sacrifice. For example, I myself am not in a location where *any* of the many careers and opportunities I have had elsewhere are available.

I ever pursue an academic position again, I will probably need to use my husband's teaching and work experience -- the possibility of getting him to teach part time if I am hired -- as an inducement. And he has no desire to teach when he is retired.

Yet I did not take his surname because of the status being Catherine Daly confers upon me? Sure, and for other reasons as well. Catherine Burch has no identity, and I see no need to waste my time trying to invest the name with some.


Come to ArtistSalonRAW
Sunday, December 4, 2005
7 p.m. to 10 p.m.
The House 13925 Leadwell St. Van Nuys, CA 91405
~where it all began~

(21 and over please)

AUDIENCES: See Amazing Artists in a Great Setting

Opens: 7-8 p.m., 9-10 p.m.
Features: 8-9 p.m.

About the features:

Ara Shirinyan writes poetry and other things. Visit the blog
changeonthat.blogspot.com for some work. Ara is editor of Make Now Press
(www.makenow.org ). Ara co-curates the reading series at the Smell 247 S.
Main St. Los Angeles, CA 90012, last Sunday of every month, withfellow poet
and friend Stan Apps.

Joseph Thomas is a poet and scholar who teaches contemporary poetry and
poetry writing at California State University, Northridge. He writes
procedural poetry in the tradition of John Cage and Jackson MacLow, looking
at words as physical objects to be manipulated, rearranged, and played with.
His chapbook, Strong Measures, is slated to be published within the next

* financial and/or edible/drinkable donations are welcome.
if a journal accepts a poem (lets you know that) and doesn't send you a contributor's copy, how do you note that on an acknoweldgements page where you are asked for full MLA biblio instead of "these poems have appeared in x, y, z journals, vol. no., web address, etc.)? "apparently they published this?" Right now, I've got a lot of "NA" where vol. no. or dsate of publication would go, and a lot of NA with poems now missing URLs (or are you expected to then link up to the internet archive?)
the Make Now Press website (www.makenow.org) is now able to process your orders online.

Now you can purchase the new edition of the OULIPO COMPENDIUM and our two other new titles, Séance, edited by Wetheim and Viegener and Writings for the Oulipo by Ian Monk.

You can also order Kenneth Goldsmith's The Weather, Ian Monk's other Make Now title, Family Archaeology, and Raymond Federman's The Precipice and Other Catastrophes.

Orders of three or more books will include an original copy of Aram Saroyan's The Rest, originally published in 1971 by Telegraph Books.