there is hard research (I met one researcher when I taught at Antioch) that indicates that the reasons that young women -- even those in highly selective schools with specialties in math and science such as like Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and CalTech -- leave the majors in droves IF THEY CAN. so devastating is the prejudice, the hazing, the silence that is a lack of support, that almost all women who can -- because they come from a middle class background, because they have aptitudes in language arts or management as well as in mathematics and science, etc. -- leave, while only women who can't -- on student visa from a non-English speaking country, with a scholarship only for study in math or sciences -- stick with the sciences. I would suggest, based on my own experience, that the situation is nearly identical for women in the technical professions. Banking and law, back in the 80s, were two bright spots.

I would also add that technical education is continuing -- it ages too quickly; that the best preparation for the professions remains liberal arts, not "pre" whatever. I would also suggest that the worst career counselors are academics or those counselors working in academia.

There is a list for making the transition from academia through the Woodrow Wilson Foundation -- -- as well as nice internships and fellowships.

As for the new listmember from OSU -- welcome! OSU is notorious for not supporting its grads. I know; my husband is one.

is the list that they have; sometimes it helps to think of yourself as making a mid-career change; it is not as good for the arts as for the humanities, I think, because artists tend to continue to make their art, while only a small fraction of humanities grads continue their research and publication when they leave the field which rewards that -- again, law and banking are somewhat more tolerant about what one does on one's own time, and how that can feed good performance 8-6.


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