part of the reason I'm so concerned about this is that I have a lifelong fascination with the idea of truth -- the idea of lying less so -- theories of knowledge, etc.

this is pretty obvious in my own writing

another part of the reason I'm so concerned about this is I have a very extreme reaction to hypocracy, especially as it relates to morality and ethics

obvious in my own writing as well, but perhaps more -- guiltily, as in a certain sense exploring other voices and identities, and language and thought's innaccuracies (sp?) is seen by so many as lying, cheating, stealing...

while it seems in many ways we need another reformation, wasn't modernism the most recent reformation? why hasn't it _taken_ yet? or -- what aspects of modernism have not entered the larger culture in a pursuasive ways? why?

a lot of the programmatic ways of modern living -- sort of clean, aesthetic, low cost designs for the "lower" class -- didn't -- Neutra & Ayn Rand -- fascist -- but other aspects of fascism did!

in what way is the female absurdist? pro-peace?

in what ways is an anti-abortion stance amoral? in what ways is belief irresponsible?

"who makes the standards, who makes the rules"
It seems I'm not alone in my insanity. But many of you have already come by all of this. I put this together Wednesday but forgot to send....
Kerry WON?
International observers:
http://tinyurl.com/4tgva http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/03/russianobserver.shtml
Nice graphic:
Votergate the movie:
Look at page 23 on the voter returns for Franklin County, Ohio: http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04UnofficialResul...
Check out the presidential totals for precinct Gahana 1:
The Libertarian: 13
Bush/Cheney: 6253
Kerry/Edwards: 1916
Constitutional Party: 10
Now, check out the senatorial vote in that precinct:
Republican: 2848
Democrat: 1259
Did 4000 people vote for Bush/Cheney and just skip the senatorial vote?
No. Check out the precinct voter count: 4346.
An additional 4000 Bush/Cheney votes in box Gahana 1-B: go figure!

Beat up a journalist day: http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1702435.php
Oops! http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_
Hey, got a match? http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD411A.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Herron [mailto:patrick@proximate.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:11 PM
To: 'Linh Dinh'; 'Ed Lin'; 'Rachel Loden'; 'katz_nguyen@yahoo.com'; 'cmurray@uta.edu'; Kate Atkins (E-mail) (katkins@silverchair.com)
Subject: Votescam 2004

With 40 million actual votes unverifiable due to electronic voting with no paper trail, the 2004 presidential election is quite possibly a load of bullshit. Yes, 40 million of the total votes were from e-vote machines.
You can see the spread of electronic voting here: http://snipurl.com/aejb. And in my backyard of North Carolina: http://snipurl.com/aejd.
Sounds like a predictable response from me, I know. Slate has already dismissed arguments like mine as "conspiracy-minded." You know me, I'm so predictable. We *reasonable* people all know there's no such thing as a conspiracy. Right? But bear with me. And ask yourself, am I really being irrational? I fully realize I sound loony by merely suggesting any wrongdoing. But is my skepticism truly groundless?
The results in Florida weren't close as we all know. That gap (52% to 47% in favor of Bush) we are told is supposed to suggest there was not a sufficient amount of wrongdoing there to swing the election. I cannot help but wonder, however, about the validity of those results when 50% of votes passed through e-vote machines in that state. 50% of the Florida vote is completely unverifiable and run completely by Republican partisan interests who benefit from trade law protections. 50% of the votes might as well be imaginary votes. Ohio had unverifiable e-voting in a sufficient number of precincts representing a sufficient number of
votes to change the outcome. OK I'm speculating it seems, but do I
have any evidence to even make such a suggestion?
The first piece of evidence is prior probability. We know that there have been massive problems with the machines. We have a paper trail of documented problems. Those problems have been demonstrated over and over and over again, but the courts won't have any of it. The prior probability shows a fix is likely.
For example, we saw massive problems and wrongdoings by the Bushies in Florida in 2000, and that wrongdoing ultimately decided the election.
Another example--the Republican candidate for Georgia's governorship won the 2002 election when polls indicated that his Democratic opponent was likely to beat him by a margin of 9 to 11 points. In the same year, a Republican candidate for Senator defeated his Democratic opponent, even though the Dem was expected to win by a 2 to 5 point margin. The combination of these two results are, statistically speaking, astronomically unlikely. In 2002, Georgia became the first state in the U.S. to use computerized touch-screen voting machines in all of its election districts. Georgia's votes were not counted by state election officials but were instead counted by employees of the corporation that manufactured and programmed the computerized voting machines. Those machines produced no paper voting records or any other means to verify the vote. What happened in Georgia was not unique to the 2002 elections. Colorado, Minnesota, Illinois, and New Hampshire also experienced unusual last-minute swings in some of their election districts, but only in the ones that used electronic voting machines. Interestingly, those sudden and unexpected swings only occurred in hotly contested districts, and in each case, the underdog who won was a Republican.
Sequoia Voting Systems software was discovered by hackers and found to be full of vulnerabilities. Those of you who are savvy enough can have a look at the code here: http://astro.ocis.temple.edu/~tarantul/WinEDS200.zip
The second piece of evidence is the combination of bias & motive. CEOs, founders and owners of Diebold and ES&S are either big shot Republican fundraisers (Diebold) or Republican Senators who have already won suspect elections from their very own machines (Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska). In August, 2003, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell wrote a letter to Ohio Republicans in which he said he was "committed to helping Ohio to deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." He wrote this letter at the very time Diebold was bidding for a contract to sell its voting machines to the state of Ohio. What’s more, even after O'Dell's letter was exposed to the public, Ohio's Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell--who happens to be a Republican & who also attempted to deny delivery of provisional ballots across Ohio--had the audacity to put Diebold on Ohio's list of preferred voting machine vendors. Diebold's machines were used in Ohio's presidential election Tuesday. Chuck Hagel, the head of ES&S, sold his company's voting machines to the state of Nebraska. Shortly after that he became Nebraska's first Republican Senator in 24 years. Eighty percent of Hagel's votes were
counted by ES&S employees in complete corporate secrecy. ES&S machines
were used for Dade, Martin, Lake, Sumter, Pasco, Collier, Nassau, Sarasota, Charlotte, Lee, and Broward counties (Sequoia machines were used in Indian River, Pinellas, Hillsborough, in Palm Beach County).
Here's a bit of a run-down on Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S:
The Diebold Board of Directors
W.R. Timken, Jr., Timken Company, Ohio layoffs, 2004 Bush Ranger, Bush appointee to the Securities Investor Protection Corp. Walden O'Dell, Bush Pioneer in 2000 and 2004 who promised to deliver the election in 2003 Henry Wallace, Ford Motor Company--Ford is a heavy contributor to Bush campaign; bush Interior Secretary Gale Norton fmr Ford board member) John Lauer, Oglebay Norton--mining company; need I say more? Oh, right, Laurer also was responsible for an Enron-like scam that sunk the company and looted the investments of its shareholders; see http://www.clevescene.com/issues/2004-09-22/news/feature.html
Phillip Lassiter, Ambac--he recently appointed to Ambac board a Laura Unger, formerly appointed by Bush to serve as Acting Chairman of the SEC Richard Crandall, Aspen Partners--one of the managers of the hedge fund is a William Ware Bush, relation to the president unknown Louis Bockius, Bocko Corp.--Ohio layoff lover Christopher Connor, Sherwin-Williams--a company that has regularly fought environmental regulations against the use of lead (Diebold Documents here:
Sequoia Voting Systems
subsidiary of De La Rue, acquired 2002; De La Rue won the contract to print Iraq's new Saddam Hussein-free banknotes. It's estimated this print job brought in about $20 million for Sequoia's parent company.
On ES&S, I borrow from "Diebold, Electronic Voting and the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy," an article by Bob Fitrakis of Columbus Ohio's The Free Press: "In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.
"According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics.
"Ahmanson is also a chief contributor to the Chalcedon Institute that supports the Christian reconstruction movement. The movement’s philosophy advocates, among other things, "mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards."
"The Ahmanson family sold their shares in American Information Systems to the McCarthy Group and the World Herald Company, Inc. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel disclosed in public documents that he was the Chairman of American Information Systems and claimed between a $1 to 5 million investment in the McCarthy Group. In 1997, American Information Systems purchased Business Records Corp. (BRC), formerly Texas-based election company Cronus Industries, to become ES&S. One of the BRC owners was Carolyn Hunt of the right-wing Hunt oil family, which supplied much of the original money for the Council on National Policy.
"In 1996, Hagel became the first elected Republican Nebraska senator in 24 years when he did surprisingly well in an election where the votes were verified by the company he served as chairman and maintained a financial investment. In both the 1996 and 2002 elections, Hagel’s ES&S counted an estimated 80% of his winning votes. Due to the contracting out of services, confidentiality agreements between the State of Nebraska and the company kept this matter out of the public eye. Hagel’s first election victory was described as a "stunning upset" by one Nebraska newspaper.
"Hagel’s official biography states, "Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate, Hagel worked in the private sector as the President of McCarthy and Company, an investment banking firm based in Omaha, Nebraska and served as Chairman of the Board of American Information Systems." During the first Bush presidency, Hagel served as Deputy Director and Chief Operating Officer of the 1990 Economic Summit of Industrialized Nations (G-7 Summit).
"Bob Urosevich was the Programmer and CEO at AIS, before being replaced by Hagel. Bob now heads Diebold Election Systems and his brother Todd is a top executive at ES&S. Bob created Diebold’s original electronic voting machine software. Thus, the brothers Urosevich, originally funded by the far Right, figure in the counting of approximately 80% of electronic voting in the United States.
"Like Ohio, the State of Maryland was disturbed by the potential for massive electronic voter fraud. The voters of that state were reassured when the state hired SAIC to monitor Diebold’s system. SAIC’s former CEO is Admiral Bill Owens. Owens served as a military aide to both Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, who now works with George H.W. Bush at the controversial Carlyle Group. Robert Gates, former CIA Director and close friend of the Bush family, also served on the SAIC Board."

The third piece of evidence: the exit poll results in Florida. The biggest problem is precision--something that cannot be verified. We can only look to exit polls to see if the election outcome was at least remotely reasonable. In Ohio the exit polls were not inconsistent with the final tally. However in Florida the outcome was HIGHLY unlikely given their exit polls (+/- 4 SEM, which means the actual vote given the exit polls had a likelihood of 0.0000634%, which is pretty damn close to zero; for statisticians, it IS zero) . (See http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/poll-discrepancy-z-scores.jpg for an illustration of the statistic in comparison to other states; if you're wondering about Missouri, read the following analysis from the Missouri
Bar: http://www.mobar.org/journal/2001/novdec/jarrett.htm) We cannot audit the Florida votes themselves, but another exit poll could be conducted.
Without a paper trail, a recount cannot be conducted. If official Florida results showed a close race, a recount would have been a legal
nightmare that would have eclipsed what happened in 2000. The margin
in Florida was too great for a recount. Was this a matter of convenience?
*The bigger the lie, the more people believe.*
The fourth piece of evidence: the demographics of increased voter turnout. Typically in a presidential election, lefty voters show a greater increase in turnout than Republican voters. It's as if, in this election, the majority of anti-Bush newly-turned-out voters across the nation voted for Bush. Hmm. This is a piece of evidence, admittedly, that has yet to materialize. The massive increase in voter registrations since 2000 were primarily Democrat, but Rove & Co. built an impressive 72-hour get-out-the-Bush-vote grassroots campaign, designed to contact all unlikely Republican voters three times in 72 hours, one interpersonal. In the coming says we should be able to get the statistics, however, and know whether there is something here in the increased turnout.
Finally, there is no evidence to the contrary, that electronic voting was not biased. There is no way that contrary evidence can be demonstrated. In fact, it's illegal to demonstrate such validity.
40 million electronic votes. Poof. Just like that. Out comes a president.
Let's face it. Many of us suspect the Republicans have formed a kleptocracy. We see again and again that they lie and deceive 24-7 in order to steal more. We can see they are looting the wealthiest nation in history if we only look. Ask yourself: given the slightest of evidence, do you put an election heist past them? When Bush says things like, "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can’t explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen . . . I know it won’t be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it." This election was in the bag for Kerry with a major *under*estimation of turnout. And when we see pictures and eyewitness accounts like this one in Ohio (http://tinyurl.com/3t3cr) you just have to wonder....
Coups typically use the power of the existing government for its own takeover. As renowned economist, historian, and leading military strategy consultant Edward Luttwak remarks in his book _Coup d'├ętat: A practical handbook_, a book translated into 14 languages: "A coup consists of the infiltration of a small but critical segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder." Use of military or other organized force is not the defining feature of a coup d'├ętat. Any seizure of the state apparatus by extra-legal tactics may be considered a coup, according to Luttwak.
Ultimately few in the government are fighting for your right to vote. Edwards reportedly encouraged Kerry to continue to count in Ohio, but Kerry opted for "unity." We can be sure Bush will not go centrist on us. Meanwhile, the media proliferate their claims that e-voting was a success--because, they say, no widespread problems were reported. Without a trail, what's there to report?
We on the left, we were gutless Tuesday night when things looked bad. Many of us stopped watching and gave up hope well before Ohio was settled. We threw up our hands, citing that America is on the whole homophobic, misogynist, stupid. Many of us are now wringing our hands, citing secession or leaving the country altogether. A lot of Americans may be stupid, homophobic, and misogynist, to be sure, but the election in no way proves that is the case with the majority.
40 million votes.
Alas, there is absolutely nothing we can do to change this election. Nothing. We can't go back and count those votes--they are not there to be counted. Gone. Our legislature has failed to protect us, because we have failed to insist on it.
So we can't do much now. It's too late. But what can we do about the next election? Based on this election, we can anticipate that the fight to force states to make sure a paper trail is created from electronic voting machines will fade. But that fight must continue.
I will fully admit the entirety of my argument could be wrong. Unlike electronic votes my argument is verifiable. Don't some of these questions and issues make you wonder, not just a little bit? We don't have the 40 million votes needed to ultimately substantiate or reject my argument. That *should* make you very nervous, very concerned. If you're a freedom-loving American.
Be rest assured, no one can be sure that Bush has the mandate of the masses. The sound of confidence in such a claim is nothing but noise. Fear not.
So don’t give up on America. Protect your right to vote. Bush might be marching freedom out the door, but you can stop him. You can fight for election paper trails, and fight for validation of electronic voting regardless of the margin of outcome between candidates. You can start by fighting for H.R.2239 and S.1980, stalled bills which would amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 by requiring a voter-verified permanent record or hardcopy of all electronic votes. You can also educate yourself about the problems of electronic voting and educate others. You can support a movement to impeach Bush for his and his croneys' acts of sedition: http://www.votetoimpeach.org/. Or if you've the stomach for it, you can also practice civil disobedience: find those electronic machines, drag 'em out, pull 'em apart, and find out how they work.

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Author of _The American Godwar Complex_ (BlazeVOX),
now available @ http://proximate.org/tagc
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Dear Ray -- I pretty much agree with you on the whole, and am afraid I posted yr comments on my blog -- although I can take it off if you want --
but then why are people gutting social security? why are they voting against health care reform? why do they vote against "big government" -- especially for a man who has created a new gov't agency, etc.? my parents were confused about two Florida ballot measures, which were 1) ability to access malpractice suit information for doctors who have lost three or more suits (I think this passed but don't know for sure), 2) ability to revoke licenses of doctors who have lost three or more malpractice suits (this was soundly defeated). They were pointing out that 30% of the people who voted to find out whether or not a doctor was bad voted for keeping that bad doctor in practice.
Seems silly, but here in Los Angeles, we have Drew, which is in South Central. A lot of my former students were advised by the college advisors to major in Bio and get med tech training at Drew. While Drew is the only major medical center for miles around -- in all of Watts and South Central -- (USC's is nowhere near USC, it is on the East Side) -- it is just terrible. All kinds of scandals, terribly bad care. So people are in the rocky position of fighting to keep Drew open even though the licenses were revoked or something.
Mark, I posted some of yours too -- is this a "the personal is political" problem really? I think I remember commenting in a draft of a review that a while back, mainstream poetry anthologists were decrying the lack of political poetry -- anyway, I was pointing out that there was an abundance of political poetry, but it was generally political in an organic way, a personal way if you will, not in a "this is a poem about the flag" way. The way in which the personal political is nuanced in a way that sloganeering and agitprop can't be? The way in which public discourse has become privatized and so simplified?
My mother has been concerned for years! about the black box voting machines -- was it Patrick Herron who posted about them? I am curious -- I voted on them, smart cards were used -- what is the problem exactly? I mean, so there's no paper, but certainly there is an electronic audit trail, and a way to compare the votes recorded directly from screen onto disk into tables versus those reported via the communications pipeline? I mean, there _IS_ a back up from each stage of the process and an audit trail, right? Isn't the point that there's no paper? What's up with these lost electronic votes & misreporting in Ohio? At first, I thought this reporting was just internet hoaxing off all of the joke animated touch screen voting things (I got about five of them right around the time of the election -- they are the sorts of things that become false "inet 'news'" very quickly). But what up with the exit polls and the voting machines?
Vorpal means “keen” (in the sense of “sharp”) or “deadly” and where it comes from is simple enough: it comes from the fertile and inventive imagination of Lewis Carroll. Vorpal is a word invented by Lewis Carroll in Alice Through the Looking Glass. The exact quote is: “The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!” The word has been picked up and used by others. For instance, Auden, in one of his poems, speaks of “the mechanised barbarian / The vorpal sword of an agrarian”. And The New Yorker once combined it in a sentence with another made-up Lewis Carroll word “frabjous” (meaning “fair” and “joyous”), writing: “A frabjous sort of place in a somewhat vorpal neighbourhood”. Meaning, I assume, a pleasant place in a dangerous (or even “deadly”) neighbourhood.

frompoet Mark Weiss travelling through Texas:

But democracy requires constant dialogue. Many of the voters in this past election forget the dialogue part, and most forget the constant part. For a democracy to work, and this was clearly the intent of our founding fathers, elitist as they tended to be, politics has to be a full-time concern of the electorate. Most of the electorate seeems to consider the burden too onerous. But it's the price of self-rule. One can pay attention to baseball only during the series or to god only at easter and christmas and get up to speed pretty fast. If one pays attention to politics only for a couple of months every four years one is likely to be a dupe.

from poet Ray Bianchi:

It has always been interesting for me to see the reactions of Secular people to the power of Religion. As a person who is a progressive and a religious person I think I have a unique perspective. The reality is that very few parts of the globe live in a post-religious mindset- Western Europe, Canada, Japan, the Blue parts of the USA are certainly there but the reality in Asia, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East is that religion is a powerful force that is alive for many people.
There has been a global debate between secular and religious views since at least Descarte but in much of the developing world religion has efficacy because it serves a powerful need to belong and to be taken care of to have a nurturing environment. There is little difference between what motivates Evangelical Christians in the South USA, Members of Christian Catholic Base Communities in Latin America, Islamic Fundamentalists, Hindu Fundamentalists and alike they all crave order and community. These communities help people to negotiate often harsh lives and these people are not stupid they are in fact doing what they have to to survive in a harsh world. The secular Left in the USA and in other places has not provided another means to doing this they have done so in Europe but that is a special case.
The problem for the Left in the USA is that they have forgotten that the US is, outside of major population centers, more like the Developing World than Europe. Religion remains a powerful force and the people who live in that world will never vote for a man like John Kerry who is alien to them. I wrote in my blog about this the fact is that Europe was able to secularize because the government takes care of economic and personal security, in the USA we live in a Social Darwinist experiment with no security and religion serves as a security for many people.
Until the Left in the USA can convince working class people that they can change this dynamic and provide real security for people it will continue to lose ground. The Left in America should learn from the Right, create a counter establishment, create a philosophy of their movement and fight to win that argument. People are not going to vote for a me too party or movement.
I've made a few posts on my blog to connect politics, religion, and my writing -- which are of course all connected --
but I'm also on deadline and have a book coming out (and the oppt'y to make some changes to Da3!!!)
Alan -- how is belief an action?
I would like to point out that the number of Christian fundamentalists in this country is tiny. The number of regularly-churchgoing Protestants is miniscule. The number of observant Catholics is decreasing.
I would like to point out that the "morality vote" figures are from the same type of freaking exit polls which were so inaccurate.
I would like to point out that those polls show that "terrorism" and Iraq where nearly statistically ties with this amorphous concern. We're talking a percentage point and a lot of political and media hype and rhetoric here. Defense has been "owned" by the Republicans ever since St. Reagan's deficit spending, Star Wars, and Iran Contra.
The Catholic church comes out against almost all Catholic politicians who are not rabidly anti-abortion. I would like to point out that Kerry is divorced, and so is not a communicant any longer.
Didn't Kennedy have problems? I also think I remember a time in middle America that John Kerry -- and most of middle America -- chose not to remember, when KKK still burned just as many crosses on Catholics yards. After all, "Katholics" is one of the Ks. Hello, southern white
conservative political constituency. When my dad and his friends ran
for political office in central Illinois *it was actually a concern that the campaigns had to address* that the Pope would be running the sad little town I grew up in.
The church has chosen to ally with anti-Catholics to pursue a radically anti-birth control, anti-fertility treatment stance. Yeah, "everyone forgets" "pro-life" is against hormone treatments and in vitro.
The one deeply (divorced!) Catholic Mexican-American Bush voter I know voted pro-life, not Bush, but he still doesn't realize that Mel Gibson isn't Roman Catholic, but a member of a fringe Christian cult with a confusing name.
Most pro-choice movements have shown that significant numbers of women vote and give money against the stated positions of male religious leaders of their religions. But significant numbers of women voted for Bush.
I might add that the fact that most of the Bush voters I know do not regularly attend church and their beliefs in general are convenient. Methodists who are quasi-professional country line dancers and consider margueritas not to be an alcoholic beverage. Those who, like Bush, paid for abortions for knocked up girlfriends. This is why the revival and the rebirth is so popular -- feels good, lasts only until they strike the tents.


Argh, having to cancel having people over to talk about Veteran's Day (dis-associated from death here in the US by Pres. Eisenhower, it is still in Canada and elsewhere what Memorial Day in the U.S. has become -- ) and journalism at Sundance and poetry.

Why? Just no time! And here I am distracted enough by the house hunt at work to be posting on my blog. I wanted to post my suny bflo poetics post this am here, but the archive just isn't refreshing today?!??!

I am hating the way in which the blog posts most-recent first; I could re-order this blog, but I am more interested right now in being annoyed that the "last post is first" while within the posts, they're still chronological - as - thought.

So -- following up from what I remember of that post:

why wasn't the race card played in the race? or, where is Jesse Jackson now? or, Al Sharpton -- no Jesse Jackson? Never thought I'd be missing Jesse.

Heard something insightful on pacifica this am, which was that a lot of wealthier Americans liberals, progressives, and even democrats do like to comment that they are voting against their financial interests by voting democratic, and are puzzled why lower middle class and working class Americans seem to have voted against their financial interests by voting republican. Aha!

So cultural values, like financial values also in diametric opposition, are more important than financial considerations for both groups.

The real mind-numbing thing is that cultural values for educated "elites" tend to be based on beliefs which are informed by education / argument and analysis-based pursuasion, while cultural values for "the common man" tend to be based on beliefs which are informed by emotion and rhetoric / media and faith-based pursuasion. This is a class division, it used to be a gender division (and a lot of my creative writing about emotion vs. reason is adopting a lot of different voices and positions around and based on old gender divisions on these topics) .

My earlier comment -- which will be posted here later -- ended I think I remember with me commenting about how religious, like political revivalism feels good at the time but disappears after the "tents are struck."

But -- the old ladies who needed rides to the polls or to the church meeting still need rides. They probably need rides to get their hair done and meet some other people to chat and play cards or whatever -- to what they want to do, not to what you want them to do. And of course no one cares. Where were they when they bond isues for public transportation were on the ballot? Who will overturn Prop 13? When the people who voted to gut social security are out on their keesters without money for teabags, no one is going to care. But who cares very directly for Wal Mart shoppers now? For Wal Mart shopper values?

I.e., are cultural values just entertainment? Is culture (incl writing) just entertainment for people whose values do not come from / relate to their labor?

Is this the lesson from the end of the industrial revolution? This is why I asked Alan Sondheim why he commented that belief is action. Always seemed to me to be an involving type of couch potato(e) hood, where sex scandal televangelist x makes as much money as tax scandal televangelist y and why not pay someone the $10. you would to see a "weepie" in the theatre.

The guy in the cube next to mine who will be laid off next month made all his congrats, step in the right direction, if we get 60 senators by next term we can save millions of babies calls -- on pacifica there was also a comment -- well, if you truly believed birth control is a genocide, wouldn't you fight?

I promise -- this IS all related to my poetry & I will figure out how soon --
blogger is justly overtaxed today; in ref to new brualism -- the curators of the new brutalism series I read in don't know; a lot of people ask me what it is; the reason I looked at the new brutalism architecture defn -- the one I was familiar with -- is to retrofit one -- I think then we see that there *could be* a new brutalist poetry that is eco (or context)-aware and theory-driven first, and thus not deliberately aesthetically pleasing, styled, or decorated first. the reception of new brutalist architecture suggests that the success of this poetry would lay in its site-specificity, in its servicableness & appropriateness -- that it will be a rare poem that succeeds, not the works of a rare poet -- a back at ya to the auteur crowd?


Another consideration about this is the scandal of the Korean evangelical churches in West Adams, the Jewish synogogues in Larchmont / Hancock Park -- the problems of being near any place of worship,

versus the problems of being near a place of worship where you choose not to worship.

You know, you can't be excommunicated if you do not believe.

Now, a lot is written about these churches! Why? Because they are small enough to start in single family homes, very often in large single family homes in transitional neighborhoods. But the NIMBYs may have a point beyond traffic and tax revenue: the Korean church down from another house we rejected (due to freeway adjacency -- lost to a fundamentalist Christian couple home schooling their large family) operates a soup kitchen out of the residence they illegally occupy. Another house we made a bid on was two doors down from an apartment building being turned into low income housing by the Roman Catholic Church (connected with Mount St. Mary's Doheny Estate campus). My husband was shocked and alarmed to find food being handed out in front of the house one day when he drove back to see it -- we were considering our counter offer (which we did not make). Now, this is of course a very upper middle class problem. But, when you're spending nearly a million dollars at the top of the market, such that you are guaranteed to lose two or three years wages during the course of occupancy, but may not be able to resell at all... these issues become very fraught.

Hancock Park Shul War Back in Court

The new 8,150-square-foot-shul at the corner of Highland Avenue and Third Street is the subject of lawsuits by neighbors and the city. (This is about three miles down Third from St. Brendan's.)

The rabbi of a small, embattled congregation is charging that anti-Semites and self-hating Jews are using zoning laws to get Orthodox Jews out of Hancock Park as an epic eight-year legal battle heads back to court.


The Subcommittee heard testimony regarding a study conducted at Brigham Young University finding that Jews, small Christian denominations, and nondenominational churches are vastly over represented in reported church zoning cases.(16) The testimony included discussion of a pattern of abuse that exists among land use authorities who deny many religious groups their right to free exercise, often using mere pretexts (such as traffic, safety, or behavioral concerns) to mask the actual goal of prohibiting constitutionally protected religious activity.(17) Religious groups accounting for only 9% of the population account for 50% of the reported litigation involving location of churches, and 34% of the reported litigation involving accessory uses at existing churches.(18) These small groups plus unaffiliated and nondenominational churches account for 69% of the reported location cases and 51% of the reported accessory use cases.(19) Jews account for only 2% of the population, but 20% of the reported location cases and 17% of the reported accessory use cases .(20)


I have been painting a little bit and am contemplating some more collages using acrylic, but maybe some text. I just did a rose and a -- it is not really a figure -- out of hundreds of decorated plastic fingernails -- you know, like "Lee Press On Nails" but metallic, flowered, etc.

Of the poems I have yet to type in, I have the finished version of "Liber Rose" which was originally intended for Da3, but now -- I should put it in OOD, but it doesn't really quite fit -- I could make it. Anyway, it is a five lobed rotating rose of words. I also have a rotating cross of all of the keywords from the device in Da3. So I need a big triangle, and maybe a star of david, and ... and ...
So I guess this is coming down to religious tolerance isn't it?

What is the biggest issue for religious tolerance in America?

How might tolerance be encoded -- for example in law, canon, or other writing?

How can "other" and "non" views be tolerated?
Noooooo, not a Catholic church, and on our wedding anniversary. Or, installment #2 on catholicism, politics, and poetry.

PLUS, Sherri (Berry) Peach back from China! My 20th high school reuinion -- thank heavens Val published a little "where are they now" update brochure -- since who would go?

Jill Turner, who married a guy I went on two dates with in college, actually lives across Manhattan from where I lived (I lived on West 96th at between Columbus and Amsterdam in a brownstone floor-thru with Ron; she lives on East 96th with two children! and her husband).

How to not live next to a Catholic Church and totally screw up Halloween and your first wedding anniversary: yes, that's right, it is (was for us, but is -- still onthe market) a conservatorship sale of a house which I have always liked (when I thought it was cheap, for example) next to a church in LA called St. Brendan's. St. Brendan's is on the busy Koreatown corner of Third and Wilton, Hancock Park or Larchmont "adjacent."

The home has been renovated by the conservator's team of Mexican-American workmen, who has wisely gotten it in clean and in working order but left the kitchen and bathrooms a blank slate. Because the realtors / conservator needs court approval to gather and accept bids, bids aren't due for a few weeks. Then the court date is set, 30 days after that. And then -- depending on who you talk to -- the house closes either that day of the winning bid or ten days later. Buying probate or conservatorship is all cash upfront, no contingencies -- i.e., the inspection comes out of your pocket before you know if you've got an accepted bid.

Thus, this house must be occupied during the holidays, and you get to occupy it cooking your holiday meals in the microwave. Or, you can spend the holidays painting and getting the floors refinished, but how are you going to pay double rent for a month while the kitchen, laundry hook up, and bathrooms are dropped in? You're not. You're going to wear your flip flops in the tub, where you use one of those rubber flexible shower head things. But that's ok, because the home's only 800K (subject to overbid) and it only needs 100K more to have a kitchen and bathrooms and the floors refinished. Why? Because it is a few feet away from a two story rectory for a Catholic Church, next to the church, across the street and "catty corner" from apartment buildings, and a street from the apartment zone of Koreatown. Which is not all that bad, and, as my husband pointed out, it is $250 sq ft if you count the windowless spaces in the attic like the assessor does and don't mind the church. It is only a mile from Larchmont Village, which is nice. Never mind being .2 of a mile from where, in "Jane Says," Perry sings Jane "woke up on St. Andrews." There was a 20% more expensive house (all in cost) in Larchmont Village...

Now, as you may know, I may not really enjoy living next to a Catholic Church, but I am certainly not anti-Catholic in a typical way. I am raised Catholic. Oh, and I wrote a book called "Heresy" which is based on women's writings from the Inquisition and my own thoughts and experiences. Did I mention too how much of it, like my forthcoming book, is love poetry?

Ron's grandparents lived two doors from St. James the Less Holy Roman Catholic Church in Columbus. So maybe it is the unfamiliarity of it all. I didn't get expelled in second grade, I skipped second grade, so I hung around long enough to feel guilty every time the church bells rang, and long enough to know when to stand, sit, and kneel (note -- you don't kneel very much anymore) and what to mumble at funeral Masses. So I would have to cope with my rabid anti-religiousness every weekend until I didn't feel that it was a loss not to have people over or have sex. When do we do that? We're married now. Precisely a year. A holy day of obligation, today. Day of All Saints. While All Souls is tomorrow, the Mexican Day of the Dead actually has a flexible celebration that combines both days.

I don't even remember if the bells -- or rather the tape recording of bells -- "rang" on Saturday night or all Sunday morning. I know the rectory windows weren't lined up with their bedroom windows and the whole backyard, but why would a bunch of priests and deacons be more of a presence than a wanna be guitar player called "nut boy" that caused my husband not to use a whole room of our tiny townhouse, or an affectionate old French guy who sings when watering his back lawn and argues with his wife over their Prilosec in the a.m. which necessitated totally blocking off windows on one side of the house we rent and never opening them? IT WOULD BE A POWERFUL PRESENCE. And I would NOT BE HAPPY. Because these things are very important to me, and I take them very seriously, which is why the gross misogyny of most religions and their institutional prejudice is only one of the many reasons that I don't feel they are a positive influence in the world -- .

My dad called to remind me that my grandfather died on November 8. Since our wedding reception was the 8th, perhaps we will get back together in time to celebrate our anniversary then.


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I have a long poem in this "long dormant" zine about penny dreadfuls / dime novels and the image

You've expressed an interest in the past to receive updates of my eponymously titled litmag at http://www.sendecki.com/
Well, the litmag is long dormant, but I'd like to introduce you to the project that's been occupying most of my time lately. Ahadada Books is a joint venture with friend & poet Jesse glass.
Ahadada Books is a small press first begun in 1999, publishing titles both online and in print. The aim of the press is to present new writers and literature that, to paraphrase Francis Pacabia, speak with you, and envelope everything. We present broadsides, limited-run chapbooks, and perfect bound books of diverse literary forms.
We've just put together a community-driven site and invite you to come over, read, share thoughts and ideas through our comments system, and browse our shiny new online store.
White Box Gallery presentsPortraits of Southern Californmia WritersIbarionex R. PerelloVernissage: Sunday, October 26th, 2pm -5 pmWhite Box Gallery362 W. 7th StreetSan Pedro, CA 90731Information: 310-519-9906

Take 110 South to Gaffey Street. Follow Gaffey to 7th, make a left. White Box Gallery is on left.
It is an interesting text.

I’d like the post the results of some interview questions on my blog. Jut e-mail me if you want to answer!

Here they are:

Why did you self-publish? Did you circulate the collection for publication through more traditional means?

Would you consider publishing works by others? Will you bring out subsequent books or your own?

What has been the response to your book?

What has been the response to your circulation of .pdf-format review copies?

Do you, or did you, pursue publication of individual poems? Why or why not? Will you in future?

Did you pursue blurbs or the other trappings of traditional publication and marketing of books? Are you pursuing typical marketing of books (it seems so, since you sent me a query regarding review)?

Who are the poets that you admire? Can you select a poem you love, and explain why you love it or what you learned from it?

You explain you began writing after finding yourself writing on the backs of your paintings. Your cover painting seems quite textual, and narrative. You poetry seems to be – not painterly, but visual in the same way – while it is not visual poetry, you make heavy use of “mentioning” or “telling” about color, appearance, etc. You also seem to collage images and phrases. Can you describe your process and how you arrived at it a bit?

Your poems seem devoted to non sequitors, especially the endings of them. For example, the endings of the poems are most often single words or phrases which are stanzas on their own. Yet the beginnings of the poems are often comparatively lengthy sentences. What do you feel is the role of this type of non sequitor in the poems?

All best,
Catherine Daly

Greetings Ms. Daly,

Attached is an e-book version of my self-published first collection of poems titled; "Automaton Perfume A First Collection of Poems.
If any of the works peak your interest enough to garner comment/review from you, I would obligingly send a hard copy.

Cover painting was created by me. ["Pets From Outerspace"]

Michael Haley
Saw an old PBS May Ray special last night I'd ordered from netflix.

As you know, Man Ray was a Brooklynite whose post-high school education was at the Modern School, during its hey dey in Manhattan. Lola Ridge, the Ashcan painters, Emma Goldman, Leon Trotsky, Will & Ariel Durant were just some of the luminaries there.

Through the Modern School, Ray met and married Adon LeCroix, a Belgian poet. I am perpetually seeking a scannable version of her book of prose poems, and evidence of any of her visual poetry (she wrote one poem with May Ray). Since she wanted a slightly more open marriage than Man Ray did, and he began beating her, the union ended.

Anyhoo, I think I've posted on all of that before. What I'm posting on now is the relationship of Man Ray to fashion designers: he did support himself occasionally through fashion photography.

He viewed "high" fashion as a DaDa.

As do I.