Update from Ron

As you may or may not know, my grandfather was in the IRA & was an early civial war hunger striker. A man named Sean Daly was executed in his place.

Now, there's this tale of Charlie Daly, also a *rare* Daly in Castleisland, Kerry, accompanied by a younger Tom who died in either 1923 or 1939. Currans and Farrenfore (I think Farrenmore could be a typo, but maybe not --) are actually the micro-towns my Sullivan grandmother is from -- the hedge school, etc. -- all sounds suspiciously familiar. Yet these are apparently not relatives!

It is the memorial near Tralee that includes Sean Daly, and nobody I know was executed all the way in Donegal.

Some links:

Poems about Charlie Daly:

Some info. about Drumboe:


Robert duncan class and classes it spawned:

mode and mood
juncture and boundary
rime and reason
vowel and consonant
sound and silence
phonation and audition
phoneme and morpheme
seme and hyposeme
metaphor and metonymy
speech and writing
pronouns and persons
series and sets
open and closed forms
segmentation and coordination

More Sites and References



Dead Surrealists

Exquisite Corpse

Andrei Codrescu

Domestic Surrealism

Robert Bly, “Deep Image”
Lorca, “Duende”



AltaVista Babelfish

Wild Online Spoken Word & Sound Poetry



Resources at LAPL

Granger’s Encyclopedia of Poetry
Login through LAPL’s database links page (above)
Thousands of poems, searchable or linked from biographies
Good glossary, too, if you didn’t buy one of the Princeton books

Proquest (listed as Periodical Abstracts Research 1* on the LAPL database list)
Search “All Databases”, “Full text of articles” for invaluable book reviews
(Wilson Book Review Abstracts, also listed, is lame)

Twayne’s Authors Series
About Authors PLUS Articles, including one about American Indian Poetry

Scribner’s Writers Series
Interface looks the same as Twayne’s, but the info offered is different. Essays on Ashbery, Leslie Marmon Silko, Adrienne Rich, Susan Howe, and others on and off our anthologies and the course outline.

Literature Research Center (Gale)
Also the same interface, the largest database


Norton Anthology of American Literature, Vol. 2
Hershel Parker / W. W. Norton & Company

Norton Anthology Of Modern Poetry 2nd Edition
Richard Ellmann / Norton*(Ww Norton & Co)

Norton Anthology Of Poetry 3ed
Norton / Norton*(Ww Norton & Co)

Postmodern American poetry :a Norton anthology
Paul Hoover / Norton, 1994.

Eighteenth century women poets :an Oxford anthology
Roger Lonsdale / Oxford University Press,1990.

Nineteenth-century women poets :an Oxford anthology
Isobel Armstrong / Clarendon Press ;New York :Oxford University Press,1996.

Oxford Anthology Of English Poetry
Howard Foster Lowry / Oxford Univ * Press

Oxford Anthology of English Poetry Vol. II: Blake to Heaney
John Wain / Oxford University Press, Incorporated

Outlaw Bible of American Poetry
Alan Kaufman /

American Poetry Since 1970 : Up Late
by Andrei Codrescu / Four Walls Eight Windows

From the Other Side of the Century I 1960-1995
by Douglas Messerli (Editor) / Sun and Moon

Poems for the Millennium : The University of California Book of Modern
and Postmodern Poetry : From Fin-De-Siecle to Negritude (Vol 1)
From Postwar to Millennium , (Vol 2)
Jerome Rothenberg(Editor), Pierre Joris(Editor)

More old lists from the hard drive -- I make studetns make all sorts of lists first class --


I figured it would only be fair for me to list some contemporary poets.

Performance Poets

Tracie Morris
David Antin
Kenward Elmslie
Bob Holman

Funny Poets

David Antin
Connie Deanovich
Rachel Loden
George Bowering
David Bromidge
Aldon Nielsen
Ron Koertge
Charles Harper Webb
Billy Collins
Marie Ponsot

Distinguished by Use of Form
“neo formalist”

Kelly Cherry
Annie Finch
Marilyn Hacker
Marie Ponsot
Adele Slaughter
Aleida Rodriquez
Tim Steele
Dana Gioia
Thom Gunn
Mark Wunderlich
J.D. McClatchy
Kate Light
Rafael Campo

New York School Poets

Kenneth Koch
Barbara Guest
John Ashbery
dead people: Frank O’Hara, James Schuyler

“2nd generation”

Ann Lauterbach
Ron Padgett
Eileen Myles

“3rd Generation”

Lee Ann Brown
Jordan Davis
Lisa Jarnot?

Using Science

Albert Goldbarth
Alice Fulton
Janet Holmes

Using Technology

Janet Holmes
Catherine Daly

Using Literary Theory

Myung Mi Kim
Steve McCaffrey
Charles Bernstein
Jorie Graham
Adeena Karasick

Using Psychology
Jungian: Holly Prado, Diane Di Prima
C.K. Williams

Poets who Write about Art

The New York School poets
Ed Hirsch
John Hollander
Jorie Graham

Narrative / Cathartic

Sharon Olds
Carolyn Forche
Galway Kinnell
Marvin Bell
Tess Gallagher

Project Poems

Cole Swenson
Liz Waldner
This quite an old list, and is the sort of information I cleared out of my file cabinets my last workshop and doesn't belong on my web site. So I'm going to see how it sits here in blog.

Toward a Map of LA Poets #1: The Academics
Cal Arts
Patty Seyburn*

Art Center
Amy Gerstler
Chris Kraus

Otis (many visitors)
Paul Vangelisti
Guy Bennett
Norma Cole* << a great human being, lives in SF
Ray DiPalma
Lewis MacAdams
Douglas Messerli
Dennis Phillips
Martha Ronk* << PhD Yale, teaches at Occidental (undergrads)
Leslie Scalapino

CIA (many visitors)
Mady Schutzman
Janet Sternburg
Amy Gerstler
Terry Wolverton* local anthologist, Writers at Work
Quincy Troupe* UCSD
Stewart Lindh
Steve McCaffery* Canada: York
Patty Seyburn* recent University of Houston PhD, I think she has a UC Irvine MFA
Jon Wagner

Antioch MFA (guests, low res)
Amy Gerstler
Eloise Klein Healy
Richard Garcia* Red Hen
Peter Levitt
Alma Luz Villanueva
Wendy Bishop
Frank Gaspar
Tim Seibles* World Stage
Judith Barrington
Sam Hamill
Susan Mitchell
Ingrid Wendt* lives in Oregon, great, taught Suzanne Lummis
Aleída Rodríguez* Echo Park, translator
Michael Datcher* World Stage

Marilyn Chin

Carol Muske Dukes
Molly Bendall
David St. John
James Ragan
Holly Prado

Harryette Mullen*
Cal Bedient*
Stephen Yenser
Luigi Ballerini

UCLA Extension
Laurel Ann Bogen
Susanne Lummis
Michael Datcher
Lisa Glatt

Michael Ryan

Rae Armantrout
David Antin* great human being, as is his wife, Eleanor Antin
Quincy Troupe
Fanny Howe* just retired
Experimental poetry archive

Christopher _____
good theorists

Dorothy Barrisi*
Benjamin Saltman* dead, but the guiding influence

Tim Steele*

Charles Harper Webb
Gerald Locklin
Clifton Snider

CSU – Fullerton

Cal Tech
Judith Hall* undergrads

Cal Poly Pomona
Faith Barrett
Deborah Meadows

Cal Poly SLO
Home of the CSU low res MFA

The Claremont Colleges

Michael R. Collings

Martha Ronk

Mount St. Mary’s

Loyola Marymount
Ellay Phillips
Deborah Landau
Gail Wronsky*

Community Colleges
Ron Koertge
Mark Solerno

High Schools
Todd Baron
Don Campbell

Ralph Angel

#2 – The Organizations

Poetry Society of America in LA

Beyond Baroque

PEN West

California Poets in the Schools (currently and formerly)
Adele Slaughter
Don Campbell

#3 The Informal Workshops

#4 The Journals and Presses

Cahuenga Press (collective)
James Cushing
Holly Prado
Harry Northrup
Cynthia Wolloch

Jack Grapes

Sun and Moon / Green Integer
Luigi Ballerini, UCLA Dept. of Italian
Guy Bennett

Fred Voss
Gerald Lochlin
Lisa Glatt

New Brutalism


Stephanie Young on:

My guess is that I'm going to say that while the self-named new brutalists are in fact a network of post-avant SF-based poets, as Ron Silliman says, (i.e., There are characteristics the new brutalism writers share which are not "neobrutalist"),

I would define a "New Brutalism" -- using the term descriptively -- for a different group of poets. I have a problem with the opt-in "movements" after the older ones -- I think the vast majority of movements in the past and currently are either academic grandstanding or copycat post post post post surrealism.

I would center my definition of new brutalism on brutalist architecture, and identifying what, 40 years later ("new" [label] time) has brought it back in another field as a label. The word itself is mega-odd ("Oh you brute."); masculine and mysogynist both. It is correctly rooted in "appropriation" of forms -- from other fields into architecture, structural items, not decoration, borrowed from cultural artifacts, not other building forms. My first experience with brutalist architecture was the sense that the theary was quite defensible, tolerant, open -- "it is built this way so that the building shields itself from the sun, conserving energy in this hot climate," for example, or protecting people entering and exiting from the rain -- and then you ended up with these terrible eyesores like the UC San Diego main library, Boston City Hall, the Yale school of architecture --

brutalism itself is a pre-deconstruction (or even parallel in time) postmodernism

brutalism is a style associated most closely with institutional buildings -- it is closed, the windows do not open -- it does have some resemblances to whatever a revival style of fascist architecture would look like; brutalism is like all of the design mistakes Mies ever made lumped together with all of Le Corbusier's into a lumpy concrete building --

[insert pages of proofs -- both circumstantial (recent critical publication vis a vis fascist architectures) and actual (close readings of hundreds of pages of absolutely gorgeous poetry)]

I believe a correctly-labeled post - avant poetry called new brutalism would be after Barrett Watten.

What's odd about this is that I like his art, and (see brutalist rant above, implied pc dislike of fascist architecture, too) don't like the art I know that the label describes, only its theory. Hmmm. More & more rigorous thinking due here, as always.

New Toy


found this cool link for me:


well -- Welkin is actually in a bar in the east village -- I am happy when I can go to any given book cart and pick up more books than I can carry (I think I had to winnow my strand dollar pile to 20 from 50), knowing the presses and people -- didn't even go inside!

sorta like being able to pick out the california pottery from the random dishes at goodwill

and what a treasure trove Gotham Book Mart is -- I didn't miss new york so badly until I went back (I used to work around the corner from Gotham Book Mart, and I hadn't been to NY since the summer of 01, and I only got to see where I read and my hotel room, really, as I wasn't feeling well) -- it is like a beyond baroque but a jillion times better, all sorts of rare out of print books just there on the shelves selling for their original cover prices (Louis Armand's first book, $8)

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron McCollough

Ah, so the dreaded day has already arrived...my book is in the Strand slush...wow. I sent you a copy media mail, so it should arrive there someday.

About 7 years ago, I went into the Strand and looked at their poetry shelf and thought, wow, what a massive amount of nameless, faceless poets. Of course, I was a complete ignoramus, so now many of those people would be poets I admire, I'm sure, but...the dollar bin... dude! I'm a failure.
Do you know the little bookstore Portrait of a Bookstore on Tujunga in Studio City? The Valley Contemporary Poets run a series there for the more accomplished poets who want to read. If you ever want a nice, intimate reading spot -- lovely brick patio, fountain under a big tree across from Vitello's, where Robert Blake shot his wife -- it is this spot.

I asked ____ about the Sundance writing program, and she verified that it is discontinued, but they've kept Jason Shinder on as a consultant. She did reiterate that they really do need a program of some sort for writing about independent film, and that she had no idea if anyone was taking care of that.

A link to a poem from the Barbara Maloutas chapbook at Diagram: http://www.webdelsol.com/DIAGRAM/3_2/maloutas.html
Otis College of Art & Design’s Graduate Writing Program

February 18 – Mohammed Dib’s L.A. Trip -- at the Mountain, 473 Gin Ling Way, Central Chinatown Plaza, Los Angeles (between Broadway & Hill), 7p.m.

A celebration of the great Alegerian novelist and poet’s just published “novel in verse,” L.A. Trip. Born in Tlemcen, Algeria in 1920, Dib moved to Paris in 1959, upon completion of his great fiction trilogy L’incidie. The author of some 30 novels, volumes of poetry, short stories and books for children, in 1994 he received the Francophone Grand Prix, the highest literary prize awarded by the Académie Française. Championed earlier in his career by writers such as Andre Maulraux, Albert Camus and Louis Aragon, Dib became a national treasure for the entire French speaking world. He died in May 2003. This event is co-sponsored by the Consul-General of France in Los Angeles. http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/obituary/0,12723,953121,00.html

February 25 – Antonio Riccardi – at the Mountain, Chinatown L.A., 7 p.m.

Born in Parma in 1962, Riccardi lives and works in Milan in the publishing business, where he is currently editor-in-chief at Mondadori. His books of poetry include Il profitto domestico (1996); Un amore di città (1999 & 2001); and the forthcoming Gli impianti del dovere e della guerra. He is also a contributing editor to the cultural journals Nuovi Argomenti and Letture. He is the editor of a volume of essays Per la Poesia tra Novecento e nuovo Millennio, as well as being responsible for editions of two Giordano Bruno classics, Candelaio and Cena delle Ceneri. Riccardi has lectured throughout Italy, the U.S., France and Denmark. http://www.alice.it/news/primo/riccardi_antonio.htm

March 7 – Frederic Tuten – at the Mountain, Chinatown, L.A., 7 p.m. Author of The Adventures of Mao on the Long March, published in 1971 to rave reviews and, although long out of print, has become a classic of experimental fiction. Other novels include Tallien: A Brief Romance, Tintin in the New World and Van Gogh's Bad Café and the most recent The Green Hour. For 15 years, Tuten directed the Graduate Program in Literature and Creative Writing at City College of New York, where he continues to give seminars. He has also written extensively on contemporary art for Artforum, Vogue and The New York Times, and has published several books on contemporary artists, including studies of Roy Lichtenstein and Eric Fischl. http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/books/n_7802/

March 24 – James Sallis – at the Mountain, Chinatown, L.A., 7 p.m. Author of numerous novels, books of poetry, short stories, studies of jazz and blues, as well as an award-winning biography of Chester Himes. His Lew Griffin series of six rather unconventional crime novels set in New Orleans, published between 1992-2001, has won him praise here and abroad. His latest novel, Cypress Grove, also set in the South, appeared in 2003. He continues columns for The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, literary website Web Del Sol, and the Boston Globe. A new novel, Stones in My Passway, and a collection of new stories, A City Equal to My Desire, are forthcoming. Sallis lives in Phoenix and is on the graduate writing faculty of Otis College of Art & Design. http://www.jamessallis.com/

April 7 – Sin puertas visibles: an Anthology of Contemporary Poetry by Mexican Women, edited & translated by Jen Hofer – at Otis College of Art & Design (Galef 209), 7:30 p.m.

A bilingual anthology that features emerging women poets whose work provides a taste of the adventurous new spirit infusing Mexican literature: Silvia Eugenia Castillero, Dolores Dorantes, Carla Faesler, Cristina Rivera-Garza, Dana Gelinas, Ana Belén Lopez, Mónica Nepote, María Rivera, Ofelia Pérez Sepúlveda, Laura Solórzano, Angélica Tornero. All eleven poets represented have had at least one book published in Mexico, yet none of their work has been translated into English until the appearance of this anthology. Jen Hofer, widely published poet and translator living in Los Angeles, will host the discussion with several of the authors from Sin puertas visibles. www.pitt.edu/~press

April 11 – Celebrating the New Review of Literature’s first year of publishing, with special guest Lawrence Weschler – at the Mountain, Chinatown, L.A., 6 p.m.

Join us Easter Sunday evening for a publication party celebrating the New Review of Literature’s inaugural year of exploration and provocation, with a talk by award-winning writer and critic, Lawrence Weschler. For over twenty years, from 1981-2002, until his recent retirement, Weschler was a staff writer at The New Yorker, where his work shuttled between political tragedies and cultural comedies. His books of political reportage include The Passion of Poland (1984); A Miracle, A Universe: Settling Accounts with Torturers (1990); Calamities of Exile: Three Nonfiction Novellas (1998) and the forthcoming Vermeer in Bosnia. His “Passions and Wonders” series currently comprises Seeing is Forgetting the Name of the Thing One Sees: A Life of Contemporary Artist Robert Irwin (1982); David Hockney’s Cameraworks (1984); Mr. Wilson’s Cabinet of Wonder (1995); A Wanderer in the Perfect City: Selected Passion Pieces (1998) and Boggs: A Comedy of Values (1999) and most recently Robert Irwin: Getty Garden. (2002). He has taught, variously, at Princeton, Columbia, UCSC, Bard, Vassar, and Sarah Lawrence. Weschler is currently director of the New York Institute for the Humanities at NYU, where he has been a fellow since 1991. http://www.nyu.edu/nyutoday/archives/14/10/weschler.nyu

May 5 – Celebrating Robert Crosson’s The Day Sam Goldwyn Stepped Off the Train – at the Mountain, Chinatown, L.A., 7 p.m.

A publication party for the posthumous volume of selected poems by Robert Crosson, one of Los Angeles’ most important and best kept secrets. Crosson, an actor, housepainter and carpenter, who died in 2001, was one of the most original and provocative poets of the eighties and nineties, and this book marks the first major selection and reevaluation of his work. Faculty from Otis College’s Graduate Writing program will read his work.
Just a quick note to say that Salt has closed a deal with Small Press Distribution in the USA.

The new deal puts stock into the SPD warehouse and will offer marketing and distribution services to over 10,000 potential customers.

The move extends Salt's distribution model which will still include on-demand returnable supply from Ingram and Baker & Taylor, but now include a traditional stock holding model with SPD which will substantially extend our US presence and we believe enhance the sales of North American and some other key titles. We will be working closely with SPD at building a profile for Salt titles.
I will add you (I need to add As / Is too) to my links eventually

I know nothing about new brutalism but can probably buy a clue very quickly & have been wondering myself -- I think it s a krupskaya press and hangers on thing, but I could be wrong

unrelated -- Tessa Rumsey (not a new brutalist) had a bit about brutalist architecture in her book a while ago

I am trying to work on paul lake's cpr articles slowly, and also am just clearing my scrap pile into my blog as well as my email outbox

the reasons I was holding off are that I have no time to develop it -- right now, I'm signed up at squakbox, but don't put the link in, blah, blah -- it may remain "lazy blog"

bought yr Ahsahta book and about 20 others at the Strand $1 bin in NY, left them in a bar --

I am wretchedly ill & hope to be better by AWP -- going to that?


New reviews of DaDaDa:


A draft one on a personal site

Getting ready for the 7th Annual Arizona Book Festival, April 3, 2004

I'll be moderating the multimedia panel & readings (Walter Lew, Adeena Karasick, Rob Roberge & myself).

Main Stage authors: *Ursula K. LeGuin,* the inevitable Ron Carlson, Tom McGuane...

The "one book AZ" is Yann Martel's LIFE OF PI.
The only poems I've read are prose poems printed at the small press at Ridgefield, NJ, and the visual poem collaborations with her seond husband, Man Ray. Adon Lecroix met him during his time as a student at the Modern School. Her first? husband, Adolf Wolff, was a sculptor associated with the Modern School (and hence the ashcan school).

Adon Lecroix links online:


As late as 1919, he said that he still considered himself an "out and out anarchist" and proved it by collaborating with Henry S. Reynolds and Adolf Wolff on the publication of the first and only issue of TNT magazine. In an edition of one thousand copies, selling for fifty cents each, TNT included sound poetry by Adon Lacroix, as well as her play Pantomine; Man Ray's narratives to accompany Revolving Doors collages; writings by Walter Arensberg, Philippe Soupault, and Marcel Duchamp; and a drawing by Charles Sheeter.