not this irish author catherine daly:

but this one:

much better domain name! at least for non-commercial sites for non-commercial writing having to do with information (in my view)

besides, I'm only 50% irish (I'm polish and danish too), and I was not born in ireland

other fun irish facts: several relatives who do not have hair dark as a raven (are blondes) (hey Tom Waits) have won the Rose of Tralee beauty contest


In “The White Man’s got a God Complex,” the binary numbering of the lines breaks – in a pleasant way – the changes that Herron rings on the “western koan,” “if a tree falls in the forest….” This reminds me… OK, even I’m getting tired of this tactic in this review. But, lets face it, I read “Rwanda” in the poem, and we’ve got some binary from the inFORMation age, used formally in a poem, and I’m reminded of one of the students who was at Columbia when I was, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families: Stories from Rwanda by Philip Gourevitch

While part of what has become the poetry of "witness" makes me cringe, the other traditional role of poetry, "prophecy," seems debased also. One of Herron's key strategies is to rewrite these debased rhetorics. Yet, this is poetry, not a mere rewriting, not a mere adoption of a rhetoric for effect. Herron's overall and specific purposes in the poem are "Complex."

[start third section]
this is the part of the Angela de Foligno (a franciscan ecstatic) poem from Da3 (this is goiong to make a mess of the line breaks -- you're gonna have to buy that book!); in general, too, elsewhere in the book, I was trying to conflate "don't tread on me" with Mary treading on the snake, an image I tried to use several ways, but didn't end up "popping":

Directory Tree
Standing near the cross, I stripped myself.
1. pleasure
1.1. dead, followers, Aline
1.2. tree I have never seen . . . maiden
1.2.1. flower (body), light, cross pistil stamen
1.2.2. hips, fruit
1.2.3. petals, sepals
1.2.4. pollen, seed cell nucleus zygote
2. codex
2.1. page
2.2. letter
I lay naked on the dirt floor with my arms outstretched, as on a cross.
Is this error, arase, uproot?
My Ticonderoga No. 2.
Broken pencil. Refraction
Fort Ticonderoga. Green Mountain
Boys, Green Mountain Boys,
fir hat, fir branch,
tavern. Resist.
Two sides, separated by a furrow.
What are they up to? Freedom freedom from this, from farming,
growing food, always contingent, hairy root vegetables. Animals
have ruined.
Free bird. Poets understand poets understand not (a whit).
Useless unless bareback on the river of blood
poetry manifests poets beat, beat, beat of the tom-tom
grows / grounds cinder
after the field, false incendiary
and erroneous spectre attendance appearance

b/w more from patrick re: flags:

The motif of the intervening statements between the couplets were taken
from Betsy Ross flags ("Don't tread on me" and "An appeal to heaven"), a
quote from the Founding Fathers about the original flag of 13 stars and
stripes, and of course the constitution.
"A new constellation": On 14 June 1777 (my birthday) the Second
Constitutional Congress met in Philadelphia (my home hometown, the home
of my family), voting to create a national flag. The Founding Fathers
wrote: "Resolved, that the flag of the United States be thirteen
stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars,
white in a blue field representing a new constellation."
The last segue of the liberty tree flag "An appeal to heaven" allows a
transition to ever-so-slight images of 9/11, of who has died, who is
dying and who is surviving. This flag has incredible resonances with
Hunter's work, not only with her swastika'd flag but also with her
cigarette butt art, with 9/11, and with the American flag. But how to
tie all of those together, and into something bigger?


My attitude at the time was that we might
somehow "take back" the flag fron the mealy-mouthed regressivists by
aligning ourselves with the dead of 9/11 and the language invoked in the
event's name. We must fight to "take back" the language and iconography
of America, and it must be done in the very muck of the vernacular. And
that vernacular is surely not the latinate of the learned. No battle is
too small!

[I would say my more modest goal wd be to take back history from the continual purging that is done to "protect children" or make more religiously tolerant the texts...]

Patrick's poem itself (not posted here -- perhaps YET) in fact reminded me of some of the lost poems of the poetesses I study -- of course Lola Ridge -- and some of those poems in THE MASSES and Emma Goldman's journal, MOTHER EARTH [which along with the Modern School is a point of intersection between MAN RAY and RIDGE].

well -- I HEARTILY recommend reviewing on blogs -- this from Patrick Herron about the ledge, the flag, and his poetry.

[To read more about poetry and ANTHEMS, you might check out my review of Jean Donnelley's ANTHEM at sidereality.]

Incidentally, with respect to the pledge...one of the poems in the book (name's slipping me right now...don't have the book in front of me...the poem with the revolutionary flag names in it "An Appeal To Heaven"..."A New Constellation" ) was on display in Carrboro Town Hall as a protest to a censoring of a town-sponsored artist. My poem was on display as the center part of a simple triptych I created; the right panel consisted of a collection of Bellamy quotes complete with an image of the old "Heil Hitler"-esque gesture used in the US to recite the pledge until the 1950s. The left panel, designed to contrast with the Bellamy attitudes, was simply the bill of rights.



writing this review here is a good chance for me to write a review on what I'm already thinking about -- just wait until I read the "Godwar" section

Patrick Herron
American Godwar Complex
BlazeVox, 2004

Draft of comments on section 1, “American”

One of Bernadette Mayer’s exercises, the results of which Lee Ann Brown included in her first book, POLYVERSE, is a rewrite of the Pledge of Allegiance. Patrick Herron begins his new book with a version of the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner, the United States’ national anthem, widely regarded as one of the least tuneful anthems.

Lee Ann Brown’s PLEDGE sounds a little reminiscent of the way a pledge might sound to someone standing outside of a classroom forced to recite it, perhaps on a sunny lawn, someone who has no idea what the words to the pledge are and thus hears the entire thing as a mondegreen.

Aside on the Pledge:

The purpose of the pledge in general was first a socialist ploy, then the victim of some K of C (Knights of Columbus – see my annoyance at shared cubicle wall with a fourth degree knight elsewhere on this blog – if I hear one more time him talking over the phone about his pride at leading men… eh, he got laid off when GE took over. Mainframe sucker) bid for public prayer (the insertion of “under God” during the McCarthy period). It is pretty interesting now, no? Now that the K of C and other anti-choice misogynist Catholic men voted single issue for Bush and Senate Republicans? [I heard that call campaign.]

here’s a link: http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm see, EQUALITY was taken out. What is the Knights of Columbus? The Catholic fraternal organization (Catholics are generally excluded from the Masons).

Now back to the peculiar nature of the pledge and the exercise. What is a pledge? A pledge to a symbol? and here is a piece of writing, memorized, repeated by schoolchildren, those brilliant rewriters (‘tis the season for Randolph the Red-Gunned Cowboy!), which some would make a prayer. Mayer is saying, consider rewriting it lyrically, as a poem-pledge, away from the symbol.

Herron is doing something else. Interestingly, to another poem-song about the flag. The poem, “The Blood-Spatter’d Banner,” is the first poem in the book, the first poem in the “American” section of AMERICAN GODWAR COMPLEX. Herron uses the flag as a flag, a symbolic item. He is rewriting the national anthem to show that while the anthem was about being attacked (War of 1812) on our own territory (the flag over the fort surviving a night time battle), the flag is now planted on foreign territory and then defended “there.”

The tone of the poems in this first section is a little loopy, in a way I was initially unsure of (eep, I’m not supposed to end with prepositions), but which I have become converted to, because I see Herron’s reasoning. For example, in “Narcoleptic Bicyclists” (what a grand phrase), which is dedicated to our current president and to former president Ronald Reagan, he has the narcoleptics on the bicycle, but then describes, in line three, “his chain slung around a crankcase nation…” This is the type of locution I would generally find clunky, that addition of “nation.” I know that the nearly perfect-pitch Rachel Loden manages her neo-objectivism without this flagging. But that thought leads me to the loopiness of what’s actually going on in this section: words are being substituted in to poems and songs, “Hail to the Chief,” “Happy Birthday,” etc., big words, important words, words like “nation,” to make a point, but rather than an OuLiPian effect, these substitutions have a more direct effect on meaning. They mean what they mean.


Now, some of the poems in this section are built for me to respond to, in my opinion. For example, in “I Believe In What I Know Is Not True Because I Am God And I Know Me,” some great, long, ridiculous quotes are gathered from all over and then there is a short-lined, very simply worded poem following. Now, my focus has been, in the case of the minnemystics, if god is love and love is belief (etymologically), then belief in god is god, and belief is belief in god. I like this poem in particular because I’m doing an Inanna poem called “Anne” (my middle name) and this poem is about (identity as per usual, or, I suppose one could say equality), the unitary nature of the individual, the opposite of a series, for a book in the CONFITEOR series I finally titled Dea (no, not DEA, although I suppose that’ll make its way in somewhere). Herron’s poem is essentially against the idea of a Just War. Now, each religion has its definition of a Just war, but since this is essentially an idea in ethics (an idea whose time has passed), there are secular ideas of Just War as well. You may remember the Geneva Convention (I remember it from too many episodes of HOGAN’S HEROES).


I have been thinking of Schultz on Hogan’s Heroes a lot because the seller of the house we are buying seems to be German, and a continual echo in the negotiations for repairs is “I know nothing” (about the problems with the house). Now, if I had some childhood experience with the KNOW NOTHINGS except for a childhood obsession with Carl Sandburg’s LINCOLN, I would doubtless be thinking of the KKK just as often. The Katholic K. See K of C above. Mater Dei. Part of the reason I love poetry is this tight web of reference and association. The KNOW NOTHINGS were nativist Americans who wanted to keep everyone out of the Anglo Saxon dreamland they called America.

In “The White Man’s got a God Complex,” the binary numbering of the lines breaks – in a pleasant way – the changes that Herron rings on the “western koan,” “if a tree falls in the forest….” This reminds me…

OK, even I’m getting tired of this tactic in this review. But, lets face it, I read “Rwanda” in the poem, and we’ve got some binary from the inFORMation age, used formally in a poem, and I’m reminded of one of the students who was at Columbia when I was,

We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families: Stories from Rwandaby Philip Gourevitch

Yes, Paul Elie generously gave me a review copy when I was trying to get into reviewing, and I didn’t review it. I did start reviewing, though. Ron did not like the book; he felt is had a too “New Yorker” feel. He liked Peter whats-his-face’s book about Bosnia which I thought was pretty minor. Anyway, as you know, a fax machine figures prominently in that book. Fax is pre-digital technology, and did you know that we could have had faxes in the late 1800’s if someone had got on the stick? [I think is was more people’s resistance to technology.] It is easier, technically, to transmit faxes than to copy or to transmit sound. I dimly remember reading somewhere.
But this does relate to the poem, because the truth of the matter is that right about now, some interesting things about the information age are surfacing. One is that it is not really the ability to analyze that is important right now, in the midst of information / advertising overload, so much as the ability to winnow very quickly and the ability to prioritize ethically. How many of the purportedly from Africa spams have you received? No, this is about more than that: messages are quite easy to miss for the population which is not used to receiving and interpreting information. The thinnest of smokescreens, the most minor delay in delaying tactics can move issues and situations and topics and emergencies off the “radar” – off the “hit list” – away from the attention of one and all. And that is the mystery of the scandals – worldwide political and religious scandals – that are going to affect everything for the next fifteen years – the next generation – is that they are in PLAIN VIEW. But people who are not accustomed to constant selection are deluged, shut themselves off from the world in ways they select, and so are then not effected by the ramifications of decisions they’ve made, beliefs they have, and the like. Or if they are, they don’t recognize this until it is too late.


the surplus has the sumptuary forms of religion as an outlet, along with games and spectacles that derive therefrom, or personal luxury

from e sent to my friend rob:

I'm reading in SB today. Have an essay review on Alice Duer Miller due.

Tho you did get me thinking about this new trilogy. Dea. (Latin for goddess is idea w/o the I). It is really surrealist. So I guess I get to think of the wildest thing possible I could write.
What is the wildest thing one could write, I wonder? Ideas welcome.

I think it is going have poems in scripting language, there's a tie to basic, not vb, but a simple language, & Zukofsky & Creeley. There is a direct tie between courtly love and pop lyrics, too. I am still thinking about that music thing. There's going to be a Lotus section, too, I think.

I STILL haven't tried to steer the game controller poems through torture garden. I guess because torture garden is really for me about the effect "it" has on the female character written from a male perspective. ah. duh. Cool. I'm just going to slap it into Dea. Thanks for asking.
Les grandes horizontales is going so slowly because I'm to redo all of Camille. It is all in notes. I changed her name to Violet.
we accepted the idea of $10K and electric, sump pump, one carpentry and one plumbing repair, which we will re-inspect & will see


I think some of the new poems I'm starting are for book 3 of the big project. Inanna poem called Anne (my middle name). Hadaly poem.

Since courtly love / the troubairitz is very well-traveled territory, Waldman, Pound, et.al., I'm looking for an out, p'haps thru sound. The Tibullus poem still hasn't gelled either, so will go there.

Now I concede that the breakneck career of Surrealism over rooftops, lightning conductors, gutters, verandas, weathercocks, stucco work-all ornaments are grist to the cat burglar's mill-may have taken it also into the humid backroom of spiritualism

Dea to be neo-surrealist; sh'd probably properly be book 2
Addendum to be neo-abstract expressionist

"If one tendency within Surrealism's 'merveilleux sexuel' aspires to the ideals of courtly love, the other descends into the noxious basements and torture chambers of the Marquis de Sade."Robert ShortDADA & SURREALISM


begins with the I - idea is how everything is filtered through idea of self --


The Boston Brick & Stone chimney guy mentioned LA City Detail as the fp code. I am looking up furnace venting just for laughs.
Talked to Ron; we would settle for as little as $14,200. on the chimney, as the seller is picking up the sump pump and well.
There is no such thing as a "zero tolerance method" for chimney repair as per Seller letter.
There is a "zero clearance" method for fireplace installation which does not apply: it involves installing a new firebox and chimney inside the house (for adding fireplaces where there's no chimney). It is rather important that the "zero clearance" not apply in this case, as we have no intention of ripping out the Batchelder tile fireplace and replacing it with a Home depot firebox 36" into the living room or of building a new metal chimney inside the house a la the Centre Georges Pompidou. However, as this method would not involve new brick veneer, it is unclear what the seller means since they mention brick veneer.
The Seller makes no mention of the code-specified new concrete bond beam anchored to the building. The Seller calls the metal transitional adapter cone and kit a "metal transitional piece." Buyer specifies that new brick and clicker brick veneer to cover entire chimney from the ground up, including existing firebox, so that there is no exterior line, break, or other sign of repair. Chimney to have setbacks on south side as per original measurements. Chimney to be capped with spark arrestor and -- there should be some verbiage on the bid -- there is a damper-and-spark arrestor combined doohickey which is cheaper and meets all codes.
As for mutual agreement for a credit, I suppose it would involve receiving a mutually-agreed upon bid from a mutually-agreed upon vendor, no?
"Buyer will be satisfied with a bid which includes:" and a list?
Ron is out of time for this; I will meet the electrician and chimney guy.
All best,
Because I have two reviews due and a "selected" for Ahadada, and am on deadline, I am trying to post little reviews here which are overdue and asking poets to send my .pdf rather than books, since with the books I feel very, very guilty if I don't review and I have stacks and stacks of them needing reviewing ASAP. I am the proud recipient of a review .pdf of Antidotes for an Alibi by Amy King. First photo I've seen by the mysterious Ms. King.

I hope to assign some of these books for review at sidereality in my new capacity of reviews editor.

Amy King
Antidotes for an Alibi
BlazeVox Books
ISBN 0-9759227-5-0

These poems read to me like poetry versions of flash fiction. Now, I like flash fiction very much, but I like the more fabulistic kind. Amy King is writing the fabulistic kind of flash fiction -- I want to say, "the good kind" -- in poetry. What does this mean? Well, when lineated, the line breaks in the poems point to the jumps in the narrative. When not, the poems still take the same little leaps that poems take. I guess I'm struggling with the new sentence this morning. I am not seeing "torsion" as I understand it, nor am I looking for it -- I am just saying that these poems have little leaps in them that flash fiction of a similar type does not. For example, this poem, "Evening In," is a story of screening a particular kind of call:

Evening In

Mother phoned the premature death
of father to me. A machine shuffled
her words. I played back the story
of my childhood and grieved.

Now, I would probably end the stanza here, or title it something different. In any case, the evening in begins with a message in a machine. I would think flash fiction might use "the machine" and not jump so quickly to "story of my childhood."

dinner, blocks of toddler teak wood
fell, then floated, mistaken for cork.
Household acts boiled over Aunt Max’s
black pot rim where we succumbed
to the likelihood of work. We were all
enchanted when the little kettle dripped
and wrote proverbs to complete our pact
with amazing accents. Dessert hints
wafted past raised cups of homeground
coffee, whiskey-tinted, under
the blue haze of living room light.

In this second part of the poem, the progression is chronological. After dinner, some french press coffee and dessert. I don't think "household acts" and "dessert hints" would be in flash fiction. They are too mysterious. Interestingly, the references to fables and fiction continue, in "enchanted," "writing," "proverbs," "pact, " and "accents." The line break after "dripped" makes it unclear whether the kettle (presumably whistling) is writing or that "we" who are enchanted are writing. But overall, a little story of a poem, which is recognisably a poem, not fiction.

In the next-previous prose poem, "Land into Sea," the jumps are between sentences -- I don't see each sentence doing as much heavy lifting as in a poem, and I see bigger jumps between the sentences. I also see bigger jumps -- associative ones -- than in fabulistic flash fiction. It has the logic of some poems where the themes are established, play together a while, and then reach a conclusion. We start with a relatively concrete example, a fabulistic but also realistic fear:

On the car-hugging road, I am shocked that one day I fall
asleep and the stray dog could die.

Not the road is hugging the car, not the car the road (as car commercials would have -- did you know most city car commercials are filmed in downtown LA?). In any case, car, road, sleep, dog, death. Very clean and neat. Then, out of the shrubbery at the side of the road -- a crowd.

These orders of truth awaken self defense, so urge the crowd, “Betray yourselves.” Every fugitive deserves retreat at depths the bathysphere can’t reach.

Who is the fugitive? The narrator? The dog. The dog and the narrator. The narrator is more likely to fall asleep and die than fall asleep and kill a dog. I.e., life is fugitive. So you see, by figuring out the difference between the first sentnce and the second sentence, you've got poetry, because flash fiction tends to spell this sort of stuff out, not point all sorts of different directions. But, note, this is sentences which are addressing different people and having different characters, not necessarily "torque-ing" as I understand it.

since lame-o short reviews usually mention the title, I'll say -- I like this title and the way is points to the flash fiction in poetry theme. For what is an alibi, but a very specific sort of potentially verifiable narrative. And what is an antidote to that, but the fabulistic.
Marie Lecrivain at poeticdiversity (online) -- that's her real name. I think wrote a 42 word review of her eBook at Tamafhyr (or however it is spelled -- celtic mountain) at horselesspress. Very nice -- though LONG -- reading at Unurban. Steve Abee, now with MFA (studied with Dodie Bellamy), has cut his hair! Scary. He still reads so well.

Joseph Lease sent me an advnce copy of his book forthcoming? out? on Coffee House. BROKEN WORLD. I want to mention that from a cursory reading, love the way he's got these short lines which work rhetorically more than lyrically coming in and out of prose. This is mostly outside the free again sequence.

The dashes in the prose make the prose read like prose Dickinson -- not the master letters but if you're Dickinson and you've removed all the line breaks / pilcros from your file to spell check and grammar check -- "prose Dickinson". So the prose is poetry and the poetry is prose -- in a way -- the prose is fragmentary, and the poetry is easy to read, sensible, logical. What fun!

I think this is a bad day but you never say the worst day. I think I’ve fallen out of my chair. I think I was never fooling anyone—

A slow

mud-slick, salty—

thick ropes

of light,
a painting forgetting

but your mouth—

The short lines make a lot of use of italic to give them -- er -- an italic feeling. Not "torque." Heavens, no. Just italic.

So broken world -- world of the novel, world of the "I", world of the "planet of the table poem"? Broken how? Into lines, for example? Page breaks?

what happened here—


Have I mentioned how beautiful the Gargoyles are?

The title uses the sort of evolved technique-device that is throughout OOD, but at its height in the last section.

The "o"s and "x" from words lift up and descend, as do 1s and 0s.

The series is a three-poem series about testimony. The idea here is that testiomony -- especially about hygeine (sp?), now-debunked-as-medical instruments used as beauty / aesthetic devices, and snake oils of various types -- is women's speech. This is the Lydia Pinkham poem (tastes like a nice low-proof clove/herbal liqueur, used to be 40 proof before prohibition, now only 20 proof), the tampon poem, and a hysteria poem (bringing out that aspect a bit more than "Palm Anthology" or "Surplice" -- which is in OOD and is a Belladonna chapbook).

Here's a draft of the house letter -- they ignored it. We are giving them 48 more hours with a CAR form re-iterating our request and establishing we get our money back (except for getting the chimney inspected). I think we're still 50-50 to get the house.

Ron Burch and Catherine Daly are excited and anxious to proceed with the purchase of the house at 1626 Virginia Road. When they entered this transaction, they were aware of some minor plumbing and electrical wiring issues at the property. Based upon those minor issues, they agreed to the “as is” purchase. They have now discovered, through additional inspections, that there are some significant problems at the house:

1) The chimney is deemed fatally flawed by our chimney inspector. It is unusable. The inspector estimates the repair to be $16,296.00 to remove the upper 2/3 of the chimney and replace it, having it appropriately attached to the house structure.

2) The furnace is wired to a light switch.

3) The following are a material fire hazard to the electrical system:
a) The current 20 AMP circuits are being over taxed by too many new electrical fixture and too many outlets on the same circuit.
b) Fuses in excess of the rated circuit are installed in the fuse box.

These are areas of material concern to the Buyers. Therefore, the Buyers hereby request the Sellers to credit the Buyers, at closing, the sum of $25,000.00.

We would like the Sellers to understand that there are additional items that the Buyers will be repairing/replacing on their own:

1) There is no sump pump in the basement (where the water heater is installed). This is a code violation.

2) The downstairs bathtub faucet is against code, and the shower area is not tiled and protected from the shower’s water spray.

3) The faucet on the upstairs shower just spins (north bathroom).

4) The upstairs north bathroom is not to code. There is neither a vent nor are there any electrical outlets.

5) The threshold on rear kitchen door needs to be replaced.

6) The cabinet drawer next to rear kitchen door hits the door handle.

7) Water heater pressure relief valve should be 210 watts.

8) Furnace needs to be moved so that there is 30” of clearance to meet current code.

9) Water supply line from street to house must be replaced with correctly sized (larger) line.

This is considered official notification that we are not accepting the physical inspection of the property due to the material nature of these items. We would appreciate the Seller’s immediate response so that the Buyers know whether they need to pursue other properties.


Interview at Ready Steady Book

Got my Gargoyles too! They are be-yoooo-ti-ful. You should order one from Geraldine Monk and Alan Halsey. Or me.

Our DSL line was out all yesterday and this morning -- it RAINED in LA, which is always treated like a disaster -- but maybe it is, when it just rains and your DSL line goes out.

We went on a progressive dinner / tour of homes Saturday night in the USC area, which has some of the nicest oldest homes in LA [more houses are as nice or nicer than those on Carroll Ave. in Angelino Heights and in Highland Park (LA's first suburb)] -- it was really wonderful, like stuff we did growing up.

We feel quite guilty that two of the houses we ended up passing on -- the neighborhood itself is pretty dire in places, and we are determined not to live next to an apartment building -- are now rooming houses. One was an Eastlake Victorian near a free food drop off point and one was a Queen Anne needing a replacement Queen Anne roof (200K right there) literally several inches deep in cat poo and next to Section 8 housing. My husband grew up living in Section 8 housing and is determined to do better for himself.

But he finally realized that the house we will hear about today -- will we get 25K for repairs that need to be done before humans can live there? -- is really a "cheaper than rent" starter home for we "old house people" because it is devoid of original features, and wasn't a "top notch" house back in the day. We'll add back as much as we can, install some upgrades, buff it up and then get something we can really sink our teeth into. Something without melamine cabinets combined with tacky green marble kitchen counters, for all that pastry-rolling out I do.

My Dad is an old house person and my Mom is not.

We are luckily both architecture people -- doesn't have to be old.


chimney 16K
furnace ducting 700
will it trigger furnace replacement? 3K
electrical est 2500
220 for electric dryer: $___

pipes -- wait until leak, 2-5 yrs, then $6K + oppt'y to repermit baths
cheap furnace filter? HEPA too expensive? even w/ tax-d w/ doctor's note?
no air, no elect for air
and talk about reading and getting too many associations -- like listening to Carla Harryman read about CAT and Caterpiller (big factory in my hometown):

stand at attention, and.
Purple snake stands out on
Porcelain tiles. The idea
Is the thing. Skewed by design....

beginning of Progress

Here, I think of my current bathroom, which is a large room with purple tile about 6 feet up. There's a crack just below my eye level around most of the room, but the crack is interrupted at a plaque of six tiles with pink and purple fish (and bubbles) in the shower / above the tub.
ho, the tracking for the blog is totally off -- says I never post and that no one ever visits.

the more important thing I'm adding here today is projects other than Index of Last Lines that the search to select poems & current readings has uncovered:

Coleridge Word Hoard (from the science writings, not the poems)
p'haps w/ other stuff

the lotus poems -- I think this may be morphing a bit, but I got excited about them again when reading THE CONSTRUCTIVIST MOVEMENT last night -- as you know, I was a mostly Lotus Notes "architect" (I like the name), will look up BASIC and poems and VB bible, and perhaps the LotusScript dictionary, too.

So, I read page 1 and was reminded of / got more on about THREE OR FOUR projects --
so my mild -- not dislexia -- mostly name & name of thing thing -- is based mostly on initial letter / name, initial part of a compond, etc. Thus all Bobs are Bob [whatever first name of a Bob I know], all people with the initials SS are likely to be the same person... etc.

ACLA line up: myself, "Catherine Daly," Susan Schultz (sometimes Susan W. Schultz, sometimes Susan M. Schultz) of TINFISH publishing fame (check out the books during the HOLIDAY SALE), Walter K. Lew (the only Walter I know), and Deborah Meadows, whose surname is quite difficult for me to remember, unfortunately.

Like all tics (I get an eye tic too & so have been wearing my glasses mostly for about a year now, which seems to help), this increases in tmies of stress.

Post 9/11, getting a tow truck on the Universal lot is like -- I dunno -- invading Poland.

The problem causing voluminous white smoke from the 98 Green Mustang Convertible -- causing some distress & discomfort through the Sepulveda Pass on the 405 AND at the 170 - 101 junction is NOT a blown head gasket!!! Thank heavens, because there's no way I can get a new car this year if this house pulls through. Charlie's Garage is handling it.

Lido (Lazaro Lido) of Lido Plumbing sez he'd wait until the galvantized pipe starts leaking to replace it & get all three bathrooms permitted. He sez new sump pump, valve on water heater, and new shower upstairs, at $3000. Pipe & inspection, when the time comes, abt 5-6K. Others have told us not to wait for a leak! advice which I am inclined to agree with, since leaks are a pain and cause mold, which my beloved is allergic to.

The whole porch, which we figure has been enclosed for at least 50 years, is so illegal that when the chmney permit, furnace permit, and eventuual bathrooms permit inspectors out, we need a special invisible cloak for the whole thing (enclosure caused a lovely windowless interior room).

Furnace by noon!


Many people don't already have free adobe acrobat reader installed!!! What? Don't they read e-books? Anything online? It has only been around for a dozen years. GET A CLUE. DOWNLOAD IT. Go ahead. You can survice the Adobe ad splashscreen five times a day, can't you?


interesting because the whole "conference" thing is marketing anyway, as is the whole "traditional rivalry" thing, and half the extra games are outside the conference & that's how schools like Virginia Tech and CSU - Fresno try to get into conferences, and thus into the playoffs

But I think mostly a change in society -- I see the danger, especially of "celebrity" -- but that's been there now for twenty years --

The time when the top students, top athletes chose from the top regional schools (like you did) is nearly gone; the closest I think is probably here in California or in New York where the public colleges really are very good and dirt cheapm, except that those considerations don't generally hold for the top students / top athletes.

-----Original Message-----From: Tom Daly

Academics against additional games called 'play-offs'. Afraid it reeks of commercialism. Caught in a squeeze. They're dying to find another term or method so they can get the money. Fans for playoffs. Coaches for them.A Ds for 'em. University presidents and chancellors divided. Me? I think everyone should drop a game from their regular schedule (most school have gone from 8,9 & 10 games to 11 or 12 in the past 10-15 years) (money?) and go for the play-offs. They can still have their conference play-offs to determine champs there as well.
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: unrelated to house...
We were wondering if YOU had an opinion about BCS rankings or the prior "coach and journalist voting" system to rank college teams.
Why not have a playoff, since that's pretty much what they have now, with the crazy rotating bowl games?
XO Kasia
inspection blog

Boston Brick & Stone are THE chimney people, but they only install retro-fittable wood burning fp; this has to be done w/ the entire rebuilding of our chimney, but a wood burning fp firebox is 6 inches deeper than a gas fp and we want gas

will have to stratighten out, p'haps with gas fp specialists

need an HVAC guy for remedy to furnace venting through chimney (which requires rebuilding) ,cost of allergy filter on heat, install of (filtered) AC venting through furnace vents

electrician -- Mick Paskus. His baileywick (SP) is that old cloth covered wires don't need replacing -- we need an upgrade from ceramic fuses -- only 2500 but we also need dryer 220 and AC line, and it looks like we have some overamped circuits. a plug in each bathroom (currently none) is a nice to have, but I can get that by adding pulg & switches or with fixtures with plugs. If the electrical can take it.

plumber -- galvatized pipe to be replaced with copper -- need to pull permits for all three baths, as only two are permitted -- plus gas hookup for at least lower fp (which HAS a 17' firebox, no longer standard for woodburning


We are in escrow on a house in Lafayette Square.

Just found out that there is a kind of almond cookie called Mandelbrot. And that Mandelbrot means "almond bread." A perfect snack for fractal heads.


Amy Newman
Camera Lyrica
alicejames books, 1999
ISBN 1-882295-24-2

In Camera Lyrica, Amy Newman defines a variety of visual lyric, a poetry where the eye is the lyric subject of the poem. The famous dictum of writer Christopher Isherwood, “I am a camera” is obliquely referred to the Camera Obscura where obscura, although in this usage generally means “dark” must surely also point to the risk of the lyric (“light”), which is obscurity.

In the first section of Newman’s book, which is about painting, the poem, “Travel Diary” carries an epigraph from Charles Wilson Peale about good painters seeing beauty in all that they see. It begins, “Just like that / the opening of an eye….” But the poem ends embroiled in a concern with alphabet, letter / figure / character, as does the penultimate poems in the book, a poem in sections, “A Brief Note on the Type.” Numbered sections are followed by sections labeled “[detail],” and the placement of this poem so close to the author’s copious notes at the end of the slim volume is no accident: the researched detail in these poems, like the appearance of letters rather than the letters themselves, stands in for true emotion, or meaning: “distorts the afternoon so Sans serif…” (p. 57) “lucky and beautiful Lithographia…” (p. 59).

The poem “Bringing Desire to the Fields” ends the book by bringing lyric metaphor to a fictional narrative from Carl Jung. While the reader is directly addressed with a confession that the writer may have fallen in love with the male character, in the last line, the woman in the story lights up like the lyric or the motive for the text:
“she lingers, lit up like a votive.” (p. 64).
Jeanne Beaumont
Curious Conduct
BOA Editions, 2004
ISBN 1-929918-51-8

Jeanne Beaumont urged me to write some of my real reviews here or WHEREVER instead of the recent non-reviews. I will put this up at Amazon as a reader review too.

CURIOUS CONDUCT is Jeanne Marie Beaumont's long-awaited second book, following her 1996 NAtional Poetry Series - winning volume, PLACEBO EFFECTS. As her titles indicate, Beaumont tracks the ways human behavior, like poetic content, shivers free of formal and codified conscious understanding but cannot elude true poetry. The hallmarks of Beaumont's writing are clear rhetoric, measured phrasing, and a subtle sound that's round in the mouth. Descriptive lists of her nominal topics and various approaches through form and experiment get a little wacky: Jon Benet Ramsey meets early American mourning folk art; Bonnard greets Ionesco; both Snoopy and Italo Calvino are included under this "big tent." There's a sexy poem about a girl with a parasol:

"raw hand to the tusk, sliding up the varnished pole
great skirt of the thing flying open -- hoop
braid trim quivering there"
"Her Parasol," p. 15

and a scary terrorist poem that started out being about the sorts of accessories available at a dream five and dime ("of the last 5&10 / in America"), but ends:

" ...it's given
nothing away Now take your pocketbook home
hold it respectfully trembling in your hand
like one singled out by a terrorist."
"Accessory," p. 66

The poem is important, because it very quietly shines light on a loopy, feminine, working class, but very commercial "American Way of Life," even as it calmly associates an ars poetica (what is a "pocketbook" really), commerce, and sex (the woman is the purse).

The poem is dedicated to Terri Ford, about whose WHY SHIPS ARE SHE -- I think that's another in process review I'll just throw here. It has been too long.

CURIOUS CONDUCT begins "It was a dark and stormy night..." and ends with Joseph Cornell's star boxes. Thus the luminous details and observations are carefully arranged in Beaumont's wunderkammer of a book.


Book Publication Reading and Celebration
December 15th, 7:30 PM
Martha Ronk, In a Landscape of Having to Repeat, Omnidawn, 2004
Eleni Sikelianos, The California Poem, Coffee House, 2004
The Mountain Bar
473 Gen Ling Way in Chinatown across from the Wishing Well
(For more information: themountainbar@sbcglobal.net or 213 625 7500)
clogging. as if I knoew how to clog.

I have always wanted (still do) to take the trans-siberian railroad; trains across India were the closest I got -- but those were classic!

Call for Papers
Capturing the Moving Mind: Management and Movement in the Age of Permanently Temporary War
An ephemera conference on the Trans-Siberian train (Moscow-Novosibirsk-Beijing), 10-20 September 2005
In September 2005 a meeting will take place on the Trans-Siberian train from Moscow via Novosibirsk to Beijing. The purpose of this meeting is a 'cosmological' one. We would like to gather a group of people, researchers, philosophers, artists and others interested in the changes going on in society and engaged in changing society as their own moving image, an image of time. Spatially moving bodies and bodies moving in time (through the different time zones) could create an event, a meeting that not really 'is' but 'is going on'.
Today it is impossible to restrict production to the closed time and place of the 'factory-office'. Production has become spatially boundless and temporarily endless: the factory-office and its borders have dissolved into society, into a multitude of productive singularities whose productivity cannot be reduced to actual production, to any actual mode of existence, to any historical time. The labour force has rather increasingly detached from its spatial, physical and biological aspects and become a 'mental category'. The generic human capacities - intellect, perception and linguistic-relational abilities - which make human beings 'humans', have replaced machinery and direct labour in the core of value creation. The mental labour force does not have strict spatial and temporal coordinates; it rather moves in time and unrolls over the boundaries and hierarchies of space. To understand the changed dynamics of creation and the social cooperation at its centre we must perhaps move beyond the borders and beyond the immediately visible.
Yet the constitutive political problem in today's knowledge society, or knowledge economy, is not that different from what it was in industrial
capitalism: how to govern, organize and control the labour force. But it is impossible to organize, control and locate cooperation between minds through the place it belongs to and through the deeds it does. The new forms of organization and control, like the permanently temporary war, arise precisely from the insufficiency of power in a situation where institutionalized modern forms of power confront 'unclassified' people: moving people, people in trains, singularities, individuals whose actions and orientation cannot be figured on the basis of their belonging to this or that community, or on the basis of performing this or that task; that is, when power confronts human beings as bare humans. To be able to organize and control human beings as bare human beings, the new forms of control cannot afford to be withheld or slowed down by any particular institution and their particular tasks, but they must target the possibilities of life in general (both corporeal and incorporeal).
By opposing traditional disciplinary conceptions of power and the concept of control, it is possible to say that power operates on particular actions and subjects in space. Its target is the physical or biological human being. Power seeks its justification from particular institutions and their functions (the factory produces goods, the hospital takes care of illness, research is done in the university, the army takes care of war). Control, instead, operates on the bare conditions of action, on the possibilities of life in general. Unlike the modern logic of power, which always needs an institutional context and a normal state to justify itself, the new form of control avoids committing itself to any particular institution and its particular task. It rather seeks legitimacy from public opinion and the ethically right: ethics and obscure 'public opinion' replace formal law and its institutions as the basis of legitimacy. Control does not have any external reason to refer to, no fixed point of reference or legitimacy (like formal law or a particular task of an institution). It does not have any particular task or specific boundary (of an institution and its task). There is rather 'no sense', 'no reason' in it: it is uncontrolled by fixed reason or faculty of judgment; it is lacking in restraint. It is full of sound and fury and signifies nothing.
But there is method in this madness. Through this method, the human body, which constitutes the fundamental natural resource of the 'knowledge society' and reproduces the productive power of human intelligence, is used and kept from moving by means freed from any political or legal constraint. Movement has always its corporeal aspects: movement is movement of bodies and bodies in movement. It is here that we may begin to understand the exchange relation between a barrel of oil and a child killed in Iraq, between privatisation and destruction of human community: the new formless form of war, the mad war, as a non-state, non-institutional form of intervention, is the logical 'form' of organization and control within an economy that has become biopolitical. The permanently temporary warfare and its 'enduring freedom' constitute a new political economy that tries to make bodies usable as mere living organisms on a world scale. The immaterialization of the labour force is intimately connected to the raw materialization of the human body.
We call for proposals for papers, interventions, works of art and other ideas that try to cross fixed boundaries and are open to the contaminating influences of the continents we will be passing through during our journey. The experiment begins in Moscow where the current Russian condition is laid before us in bare by some of the most critical Russian intellectuals. This will be followed by a three-day seminar on the Trans-Siberian train as it moves towards Novosibirsk, our next stop in Siberia, where the meeting will be hosted by the department of Economics at Novosibirsk State University for one day. The party goes then on to Beijing where a final roundtable with Chinese social scientists will be held (the meeting is planned to take place at Qinghua University, Beijing).
Please submit proposals (500 to 1000 words) to Demola Obembe
(aoo5@leicester.ac.uk) by 31 January 2005. Notification regarding acceptance will be given by 28 February 2005. Unfortunately, the number of participants is limited due to the nature of this project. The participation fee is estimated to be around 1000 Euros (including travel from Moscow to Beijing, accommodation and boarding in Moscow, Novosibirsk and Beijing). Alternative ways to participate in the project are possible and should be discussed with the organizers.
For further information, please contact the organizers at www.ephemeraweb.org/conference
The conference is supported by:
ephemera: theory and politics in organization
Ground Zero: Conflitti Globali
I promise to get to work and stop clogging. But I am trying to think up a title for two testimony poems (the third -- testimony is from "three" is online at Black Box) for "crimbo" (new to me slang I'm about to annoy everyone with the entire holiday season)

and guess what -- of cuorse we know what it means -- but what does it mean? how can speech authenticate (some sort of voice activated-security system? no); it is a statement of BELIEF and the poems are about where these beliefs are erroneous or plain misleading --

like we saw a short after Nova last night on Leyden jars at the dawn of the age of electricity (leyden jars -- with tesla coils in "Palm Anthology"), having "shock parties" (my friends the Elizabeths are performing with a 20 ft tesla coil and ossous labyrint (sp?) this weekend) -- I've got a hysteria one

and I've got a patent medicine / elixir one (snake oil! should have used that in the poem w/ snake eyes 1 1 )
o o

and I've got a "feminine hygiene products" one -- because it is always so mysterious the way female stuff was mentioned at least to me growing up -- al sorts of "you will just know" answers to perfectly logical questions instead of real answers, just like -- feminine hygiene product WHAT IS IT? WHY? to the uninitiated

BELIEF -- can't call them that but --
As a kid, back in the seventies, I'd mourned several bars: The Marathon, a simple rope of caramel covered in chocolate, which came in a bright red wrapper that included a ruler on the back, a ruler that was commonly used by those of us with male self-esteem issues.

actually, not so -- one of my favorite chocolate bars; one of my husband's -- like snicker's, espcially good frozen because then the caramel can actually be eaten -- at first it is crunchy, and during the course of eating it is gets gooey


am exploring the Tamafyhr Mountain links because I am trying to think of when to send them as an eChapbook -- I am leaning toward sending them a "selected online shorter poems" to be entitled Up To the Aether; this would have a strange relation to the poem I'm writing from the same poems called Flori-something

these are mostly small presses -- many small colletives, or starting as one -- of the types that I think might be more usefully established and supported by authors and hobbyists who would be tempted to vanity publish, because they build communities this way, instead of building isolated authors marketing their product i.e. forcing their friends and family to buy it.

partly the reason I buy so many copies of my book -- so that if a non-literary friend wants to support my efforts and see what I'm up to, cool, but I am not asking them constantly for money / favors, etc.
a link to the 42 word review of Da3:


Pug Sheridan
Sandra Cline
Autumn Leaves Publishing
isbn 0-9754554-4-3

This is an example of a very professionally self-published first novel. I assume the first book by this publisher and first book by this author are connected. Advance copies were circulated for review well in advance of release. They were produced and packaged in precisely the manner in which bound galleys are generally produced by regular houses, along with three! press releases which contained a load of information about the book. If I were to fault this effort at all, it would be to note that too many selling points -- environmentalism, a "feminist sub-text", spirituality -- are mentioned.

I heartily recommend Atlas Books over American Publishing Company for all your vanity publishing needs. Which -- did you know my accountant considers my publication to be vanity publishing? Yup, because financially, that's what it is. That sure hurt when it was mentioned. Ron said something soothing. I heartily recommend Salt Publishing and Tupelo Press for all your... alright, whatever.

The novel is voice-based and issue-driven, which is the reason for all the "selling points" -- there's a helpful female Indian, the Ku Klux Klan (rape! golden showers! -- but more seriously, also an afterword which explains some of the sourcing in and mention of other texts -- BIRTH OF A NATION for one), and lots of spirituality.

I have a very nuanced uh, situation with spirituality and how it is treated in writing -- it is clunky here. The spirituality came first, and it is getting passed through the prose as a "main idea" like it would in a paper. Here's the beginning of Chapter Fourteen:

"When I told my mother about the shared dream mystery, she cocked her head and said, "I once heard a word that's never made sense to me until now. It was in a book of Celtic verses. SOULTWIN....'"

The southern dialect comes and goes thank heaven.

There's a "League of Seven Sisters" which recalls the Ya Ya Sisterhood.

This, too, is like my students -- what do you do when you or your student has written a perfectly competent novel which will never win a contest? I assume that Ms. Cline -- who has some literary and professional accomplishment -- submitted the novel to various presses. Presumably without the author's note and preface which would've sent the otherwise fine writing into slush immediately. But then, I have a complex relationship with presses which charge entry fees for prizes rather than having reading periods, and I've gotten lucky I've been asked for two books. So, you see, all the money I spent on book contests really has been for nought (I still enter though). And then, there is always the thought -- I will bring it out myself. Because press x is asking for sales upfront, although they don't seem dishonest, and press y says maybe in 2010 -- and I am tired of waiting -- because press z did take it but then couldn't bring it out --

I assume the writing in it is heartfelt, although it seems to me to be a little less motivated than I would like -- that instinctive distrust of the movie tie-in and the easy marketing points -- but I must say that I initially had the same distrust of things like Nicole Cooley's Salem poems, before I read them very carefully, and I'm afriad I won't be reading Peg's story very carefully.


I could probably write a book about this subject, but I'll spare you. I have taken some actions that have increased poetry sales in a number of stores. Here's a list, off the top of my head. I'm using a good portion of this in a marketing article I'm doing for another publisher's Net site. So you saw it here first.
1. From the beginning, my publisher and I selected the poems for my book in a deliberate manner, based on who might actually fork out $12 for a book of poetry. We did not take a theme approach for the book (as a judge noted on a recent contest entry remarks form--"No theme--subtract 5 points.") I knew I would be reading for diverse audiences in a number of cities. We grouped the poems in the book by mini-theme, such as a section of sonnets, poems on the South, poems with the environment as a setting or motif. This has worked well in terms of acceptance, even by those who claim to not like poetry.
2. Getting the book stocked by Barnes and Noble took six months. My publisher started three months before the book's release date. I set up signings at several B&N stores and spent many hours recruiting attendees by snail mail, email, news releases, and my newsletter. In the beginning the stores ordered the book directly from the publisher. After a six month or so period, they began to place orders through Baker and Taylor. This is also true of AWC, the supplier for Books-a-Million. A handful of independents stock the title. They are less prone to stock poetry heavily, at least in the Southeast. For instance, at the Southeastern Regional Trade Show, I read with the Yale Younger Poets' Award winner. The audience numbered around 150 people, mostly booksellers. The reading went well; many expressed their pleasure. One bookseller placed an order. American publishing depends on the chains; for widespread distribution, it is my opinion that you must have their support to get the title distributed nationally.
3. I've always had a policy of supporting other poets' work. I review their books at amazon and B&N online. I have a section of my Net site devoted to work by other poets. Note that I do this with absolutely no expectation of reciprocity, but rather as part of a general philosophy on giving. This, happily, results in increased exposure for my own title.
I organize discussions for my area B&N. I call them the Community Poetry Series. It's sort of like a book club for poetry books, but the faces change each time depending on the poet we're studying. We did Ted Kooser's book recently, Delights and Shadows. I succeeded in getting the CRM to order 20 copies of his book. We drew a diverse crowd, sold the books, and she will re-order. Because I was facilitator, I introduced myself and my book (briefly), thereby selling some of my own as well. Though not in a hawkish kind of way. A future book I'm doing will be one of Kim Addonizio's because she's a favorite poet and her work resounds with readers of poetry as well as writers of poetry.
I publicize the discussions by news release, personal invitations (snail and email), and direct recruiting when I speak to audiences. Note that news releases can be emailed. Go to the newspaper's online site and scrutinize the page for "Contact" or "About us." Usually there will be an email directory. Always include full name, address, a daytime phone number. Always include a number for the public to call. This can result in some unusual phone calls, such as a poet who calls at 10 p.m. to read you his latest divorce poem. I have learned to extricate myself from such conversations with grace, in the interest of my sanity. Also consider city and lifestyle magazines in your area. They usually have a 60 day lead though so you have to work way ahead.
I usually do a flier for bigger events. I enlist my daughters and their friends (because I am the pizza supplier for that social network) to take them to area colleges, schools, coffee shops, etc.
4. I do programs for schools at the mid and high school levels. Because the book is best suited to the high school and over level., I use handouts for middle schoolers. I designed them so that students can interact with poetry and hopefully come away with a new attitude. Consequently, about a dozen schools are using my book in the classroom, high schools. This results in a 50 book or so order, often from an institutional division at B&N. My publisher will sell directly to a school at a discount as well. On the handout, I always include the line "Sponsored by kayday.com." Their parents may go to my site and buy the book if the student carries the handout home.
5. I do poetry for just about any group who asks. I do like to at least be reimbursed for gas if the round trip is more than 30 miles. I tailor the presentation to the audience. For instance, my selections for the American Association of University Women chapter here differ wildly from those selections I presented at a women's history event set up by a large organization here in Jacksonville. I did a reading at a saloon not long ago, and the place was packed with temporarily very happy guests. Due to the alcohol level of the audience, I presented poems with a strong sound component. When I present, I rarely look at the book. Audiences like eye contact and energy. Sidenote: If I have to board a plane, I expect that expense to be covered. However, I know people in many cities, so I'm often able to arrange lodging with friends and family. I do reciprocate on that!
6. I write related columns for magazines and Net sites. An essay I wrote is in The Writer's Handbook this year. I take a copy of that with me. This spurs sales of a book by an editor I admire, and it also rounds out my credibility. I put that book on a stand by my own book when I speak. I also take magazines--most recently, Miller's Pond--that carry my work. This spurs subscriptions for editors who support my own work.
7. I do news releases monthly. I announce where I'm going, awards, and comments on trends (such as publishing poetry, etc.) It must be obvious at this point that I enjoy writing. (*smile*)
8. I organize events (3 or so a year) that include other poets. One example is a poet whose book was picked up by a publisher that is not carried in most stores. The woman has a disability, and although her poetry isn't National Book Award material, it is pleasing in its own way. The CRM at B&N worked with me to set up an event for this poet and did an in-store purchase of the book. I felt good about that.
9. I update my Net site as frequently as possible. I carry a news page there so it isn't all about me, in addition to my By Invitation section that features work by others. I keep a calendar there, although I haven't had time to code my 2005 events yet. The point is to attract people there.
10. I bear in mind that if I only try to aim my book at poets, my sales will be limited. I aim my efforts at the public. I have been pleased with the results and do not believe I have compromised my poetic principles. Sales drive book orders, nothing more, nothing less. If your book sells regularly, stores will seek it. Publishers and authors must work together to make sales a reality.
Note that I'm basically an independent scholar at this point in my life; I work full-time as a writer. My publisher is a small, fairly new commercial
press. I offer that to put this in context.
That's a wrap. Hopefully, at least one thing may be helpful to some of you. Best to all, Kay Day
Angus MacIntyre
Jobs are not the Answer... But Then What Is?
paper, $19.95
American Book Publishing (they have tons of "imprints" but I'm not going to dignify that here)
isbn 1-58982-156-4

Jobs are not the Answer... But Then What Is? : How to think outside the box using your gut feelings on Social Economics and World Issues: Guaranteed to Help You Think Differently
a.k.a. either how not to title your book or how to not lay out text on the cover of your book

Angus writes on his cover that he is relentlessly upbeat and cheerful, so I'm looking for a self-help/business tone in this book. He's another Canadian, so I wonder if the VANITY PUBLISHING biz hasn't been as publicly exposed as here in the US.

I am expecting a meld of "Do What You Love and the Money will Follow" and "Lateral Thinking." Mr. MacIntyre also needs help word processing a table of contents.

People are not happy with their jobs. I am at work. Better get back to it...

Nope -- I'm going to finish this brief comment: Angus is a community organizer and a corporate trainer. He looks like a nice man. He has written down and published what he has learned from his working life, which has been varied and apparently happy. His writing is overall pretty sound, other than the title. He has a long and heartfelt dedication of the type you'd find in a vanity-published book. Like the vanity publishing firms, the national whatever of poetry, the "who's who" firms make a lot of money off of men and women like Angus. Even "self-made men" I know of, such as the man who started the miniatures museum that used to be on museum row in Los Angeles, have fallen prey to "who's who of american construction executives" or whatever. Even some poets I know... How to tell: they put it in their resumes, they put it on their websites.

People at the Vegas Valley book fair asked our publishing panel "well, who are we hurting"? You know, collecting china bells or whatever is probably just as costly as writing children's books no one reads, memoirs no one cares about except family members...

A similar question was often asked by people in my poetry workshop who didn't want to work on the poems they brought in to workshop. You know, the "I'm taking this course for fun, not credit / it is not my major, so the poem / paper is miserable, so what?"

so am I too focussed on the "crocheting an ugly green, line green and yellow acrylic afgan was an utter waste of my grandmother's time" argument? she pinned sequins on styrofoam eggs, too. I mean, she was good at sewing; why didn't she do what she was good at?
I am a registered reviewer all sorts of places -- have just started getting review copies of art books, which is cool --

some publishers simply send their lists. This is particularly the case with VANITY PUBLISHERS. American Book Publishing is a VANITY publisher which guarantees they'll send your book to "25 qualified reviewers" -- well, I'm one of them.

coming from alt-everything, including alt-rock zine, alt-publishing as I do, DIY is cool, but, you know, I also have an MFA from an ivy league school -- there is starting your own publishing company, getting your stuff out by any means mecessary, and being a sap who is paying somebody to publish your book because you can't be bothered to either work with or subvert the system

there's another problem, which is that even traditional publishers or new pod publishers who are not taking money to publish your book are often not marketing your book, or are marketing your book like a vanity title -- two friends have published chapbooks recently at a press that requires you sell (note: or buy) 25 copies before they will promise to print. Note: I DO NOT PURCHASE INDIVIDUAL CHAPBOOKS. Occasionally, I will purchase an entire chapbook series from a publisher.

I'm going to review some of these books, because I feel guilty about getting them (although I feel good about getting cool art books free, and this is the cost of that).

Caroline Covell
The Rise and Fall of Empires
American Book Publishing
paper, 19.95
isbn 1-58982-178-5

Nice cover art of Sukarno, maps, and bamboo. Bad blurbs. Note: no one cares if your town mayor likes your book! Not every Ph. D. makes a good blurber! Are these people known in the field? No, we have a dentist with a PhD and some guy who seems to have been learning about the topic for the first time from the blurb. The cover copy is someone who is very serious trying to be "zingy" --

"Beware, those who would wield absolute power..." so the potential audience is people who would like to become benevolent dictators? OK, so this is going to be a sort of case study from Poly Sci 201: Benevolent Dictators or "Benevolent" Dictators.

Now, we read the cover letter and looked at the cover and flipped through, my husband and I, and we felt very sorry for Ms. Covell. We think she might be smart and hardworking and not have a clue.

We also believe we are truly the audience for this book, misconceived as that is, along with the students in "Dicks." Because we know nothing about Indonesia, Dutch colonialism, or these particular fez-wearing guys on the cover of the book. Who are Sukarno and Suharto.

The ironies of the dictator who leaves the ad hoc assemblage of a country intact versus the liberalizing dictator who leaves the country in internicene warfare should not be lost on the United States, even as we are disunited by someone who seized power and uses war to enforce that power, and went to war to remove such another unifying dictator. Is our disunity a sign of our liberalism? Or is the quietude of the DNC a sign of Rove's misrule?


Dear Ms. Daly:

In response to the e-mail sent to our office regarding your concerns about early voting at the Richard Riordan Public Library, the Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk would like you to know how much we appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback to us. It is largely through information from voters such as you that we are able to refine our election services delivery system.

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I think we should all do those reader reviews for our books on Amazon and BN.com, and books a million or wherever else, for each other.
No one, not even my mom! has done mine:
I would add that there's probably some demand for "how to put together a press kit" and "how to book a tour" type information here or on a site. While I know relatively little, I'm willing to chip in my 2 cents.
Your press kit needs to have a press release that has enough in it to lift out as a review or review-like item for newspapers.
You need separate press kits and sets of marketing materials for 1) booksellers, 2) course adoptions, 3) general public, 4) editors, 5) readings curators. For the general public, you have to reach them three different ways.
Something in the kits should be in color -- whether it is off prints of the cover, your one-pager that Jeffrey was talking about, or postcards --
and those postcards. They should be the large, costs 37 cents postcards, not the small ones (mistake I made last time). Do a mailing for each appearance. 100 per. If you can (if the bookstore will do it, if the reading's in a bookstore), mail 100 to the bookstore to put next to your book on display.
A good rule of thumb for books to give away to reviewers, curators, former teachers, future blurbers, etc. is 100. A well-known, well published female poet with a tenure track teaching position I know of has a book come out each year. Her last publisher published her book for her marketing "list" essentially -- for the marketing / profile having her would add to their list. She asked the publisher to send out *250* copies of the book. They ended up sending about 150, I think. With personal letters written on her behalf.
I've bought 200 copies of my first book thus far. There was no way to buy returns. I think I sold about 50 of them and used about 50 for applications to prizes, teaching job applications for schools which didn't return them (MLA schools are forced to, AWP -- forget about seeing your book or your SASE ever again). Used 50 for book swapping. I gave away at least 100. I also gave out about 250 .pdfs and 100 CDs of the songs I quote. I have gotten lots of interviews and reviews, but mostly online. 250 copies of the book have sold thus far (for a total of 500). This is above average sales for the first year for an experimental poetry book, I hear, but not enough yet to be a "best seller" for my publisher. I am about to do the first course adoptions mailing. In a sense the prizes are about right -- with travel to readings, etc., it costs a poet at least $2500. to support a book, above all of the money the publisher pays. I've easily spent double that, and I cancelled a UK leg of the tour, with poetry festivals and all, because I just couldn't justify the cost to myself, which would have become in the five figures. That's like a car.
WOMPO's got a few sites that've stopped and started, including this one, which even has an old list of favorite books, I think:
It is a Lotus Notes database and I set it up in such a way that members could log in and update their stuff. But, you know, no one did, and I ran out of the time to take introductions off the list and put them in the site after about a year. I think that's what happened with the WOMPO site with the pretty front end, here, too, right?:
which links to a short list of WOMPO books on someone else's site.
The deal is that unless there's a student intern charged with this and making at least minimum wage, maintenance doesn't happen. And it is maintenance which makes a website, and maintenance which is really dull, involves no advanced skills, and takes a load of time.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a site like epc for women's poetry? But they have a list moderator, a project manager (Loss P. G.) and student interns. HOW2 is doing what they can, but it is really a different animal (online journal).
This posting isn't directly related to poetry, I suppose, but because it is personal to me, I know how much the politics and religion in my schooling has influenced my work.
I went to a very small (class of 88 students) Roman Catholic High School in a small city in the Midwest (it is a bit depopulated now). 77 graduating and one not (sent to military school) reported in for the reunion booklet; I don't know how many attended the reunion.
Of the married women, I am the only woman who kept her name. One classmate's wife kept her name. Five women are not married. (Of them, one I know is twice divorced.) No one reported a same sex significant other; one reported a pet.
Of the women reporting employment:
4 elementary school teachers, 1 former elementary school teacher 2 stay at home moms and 4 homemakers 5 nurse / med tech (1 male nurse, 1 male doctor) 1 part-time attorney (3 male attorneys)
3 self-employed
12 in likely part-time jobs (bookkeeper for a small business, fundraiser, etc.)
Number of children reported (of the women):
2: 11
3: 9
4: 1
5: 1
grandchildren: 1
Number of children reported overall: 124
Likely divorces (children but no spouse, name change but no spouse): 5 Men reporting female significant others: 2
number of classmates married to high school sweethearts: 8 (seemed a large number!)
Writers: female: 1; male: 4
My nickname is Kasia, but once people learn that, they tend to get confused that I go by Catherine. Yet if they don't know that, then they tend to call me C instead of K. When I was in high school, my nickname was Katie. When I was born, the song "Come Down from the Mountain Katie Daly" was the top of the Irish hit parade. It is a song about an old bootlegger woman by the Halifax Three. But my Polish great grandmother said, "Katie sounds like a barmaid."


I changed the end -- a bit confusing, by grandmother and her sisters were comptometrixes but I guess there are web sites that call the machines contometers. So I changed that to comptometers.


so now I have two poems with "comptometer" in

and I work for GE! temporarily -- most of our relatives (Ron's and mine) worked for Western Electric at one time -- taken over by General Electric
I got together with one of my best friends from high school, Sherri (Berry) Peach, at a nice restaurant in Sherman Oaks, halfway between Valencia where she lives and Miracle Mile where I live. We decided that since we both look pretty much exactly the same as we did twenty years ago, we were "least changed" --

I apoligised for introducing her to her first husband --

Anyway, as I gave her DaDaDa, and as she had three martinis (I was driving, but she is going to come over to our house for dinner sometime) and started calling people from high school (it was midnight in the midwest), and as the most successful of these people, at least that we know of, Adam Avery at Avery Brewing in Boulder, Colorado, called me back, I was trying to think of a way to describe my writing that would make sense

I mean, is Wallace Stevens Donovan to TS Eliot's T Rex? Is Pound Dylan? Who is William Carlos Williams? Is he John Lennon? Who is someone like Tim Buckley? Wilfred Owen? Is Sasson Phil Ochs? Is Mina Loy Nico? Or is she Janis Joplin, since someone has to be Janis, and Marianne Moore is a very unlikely Janis, but she's better than Marianne Faithful?

Can you do the same thing for bands? Is Alice Duer Miller Moby Grape, Mary Aldis the Beau Brummels? Is Poetry corporate beast Peter Paul and Mary while The Little Review is the Mamas and the Papas, or is Poetry Crosby Stills and Nash and The Little Review Creedence Clearwater Revival?

Is Brenda Shaughnessy PJ Harvey?

Is Dylan Thomas the Minutemen to Yeats' Black Flag and Henry Rollins?

So where would you fit in?

Could I be an unholy alliance of Kathy Acker, Dylan Thomas and Wallace Stevens, Man Ray and all of his wives, or is Marianne Moore wearing leather and on ecstasy a better comparison? Ah, too grandiose.

After all, in the movie of my life, I'd probably be played by Spacek or Goldie Hawn.

In the movie of your life, who...?

am trying to put together a 30 page selected and have decided that I'm going to try a 30 page poem sourced in my "selected shorter poems" --

my "Rae Armantrout poem" "Belief System" - which was accepted and supposed to be on a very cool Canadian site, but I've never been able to find it there -- so perhaps it is lost in the aether -- because of the way it was written, seems un-excerptible.

Which I think is very true of Armantrout's poetry. The lines are all wonderful, but you can't remove them from their context, or they seem to be from a billion different poems. Which means you could conceivably write a billion poems from just those lines. Yet they are one poem.
link to a brief early review of Locket on Tom B's blog:



Jeb knocked up his Mexican-American wife -- they were forced to marry, and if you're a practicing Catholic, it is a big deal if you're not married to a Catholic and not raising your kids Catholic. He's in very thick with the Florida sugar families now (real live indentured servitude in the continental US!), which -- my parents told me the whole story but I forgot it. It's all related somehow.
W had to do something to make up for all that coke and scandal, and becoming born again is really the only option that "wipes the slate clean" -- as with AA, which he used to drops terms from in speeches (he claimed he'd quit drinking long before he actually quit drinking, but I think he did finally quit -- at the beginning of the term it was apparently not that easy to get wine with dinner at the White House) -- you are no longer responsible for anything before your rebirth.
They're really Episcopalians from Connecticut. Neil Bush is, I'm sure, still nominally Episcopalian.
Apropos of nothing, my husband's writing partner was raised in a similar way -- his dad was president of a small university. On his way up, moving around academia in the Northeast, the family joined whatever church was close to campus or on campus, so he was Episcopal, Quaker, and Methodist. He converted to Catholicism to marry his nominally Catholic wife in church (not an easy process), but their kids are in an Episcopalian school, so they lied and said they were Episcopalian and now go to those services every Sunday.


Dear Geraldine Monk:

The GARGOYLES are wonderful. I take them out when ever I am blue. I bring them to work. I show them to friends who used to write poetry but have stopped and they are encouraged to go on (true!).

I always think my "next poem" is going to be my best one, so I'm having a hard time thinking of what to send that's new and the right length.

I like the testimony series because it is based on this idea I have that testimonials are predominantly women's writing. I remember going away for a weekend, having selected a "chalet" based on very vivid satisfied customer letters written by women. It was just a horrible, flea-infested, smelly dump! And we spent the whole time wondering how the women who write the testimonials lived if they thought the cabin was so great.
So there are a great many patent medicine and hoax medical device and whatnot brochures in the public domain, and this makes them free online. One of the patent medicines is actually still for sale here in the states and I have some -- Lydia Pinkham's -- though they halved the amount of alcohol it contains in the 1930s, during Prohibition.
cool oral history site


An Evening of the Poetry of

translated into English by

Amin Banani, Ph.D. (U.C.L.A)
Anthony A. Lee (West L.A. College)

Reading from the first literary translation of her poems
into English Táhirih: A Portrait in Poetry: Selected Poems
of Qurratu’l-‘Ayn (Kalimát Press, 2004)

Books will be available for sale, and the authors will be available to sign them.
These exciting, provocative, and deeply spiritual poems will move the spirit and introduce the listener to another world. Táhirih’s brilliant and timeless poetry still has the power to startle and inspire!
Don’t miss this event!

Saturday, November 13, 2004 :::: 8:00 p.m.
Encino Baha’i Community Center
4830 Genesta Avenue, Encino 91316
Call for more information: 323-933-8291


tried to post this to HUMANOPHONE, Janet Holmes' blog, but something happened and I couldn't -- don't want to lose it so here it is --

Nice Xena outfit!!!
More seriously, I think it is interesting you mention Snow's quotes and her ongoing sequences, and I was wondering abuot the positioning of Dickinson of "letter to the world" and the master letters in f2f?
The way the book weighs on its end is the heart of my unwritten comment on it. I really have to do that.
In other news from blog land, I was asked to pick 30 pages for a brief selected, so instead I am seeing if I can make a poem in one mode of composition -- the quoting and rewriting from other reading and writing mode -- from my jumbo .doc file of previously-published short poems. So far, I've got an index of titles, an index of first lines, and am debating an index of last lines (I have an unpublished piece that's all the last lines of Pounds Cantos, of the sections of Zuk's A, and of the Maximus poems -- kind of nutty, and really would be thankless to proof). I am thinking about an index of figures. But all of this is to force me through the poems.
If I were to do a similar thing with sequences, whether they'd been published or not would be a bigger piece of the consideration than now, and what a poem or section is would be a trial, like it was for that index of last lines project. Yet -- if one writes a great many series and sequences, how do they end, except either they don't, or they are abandoned, a la Stevens?
Anecdotally, if anyone has asked me why, in "Legendary," so many of the series poem titles are "FROM 'The Lives of the Decorators'" etc.... I was still writing them -- still am, but what is weird is that while I left those threads trailing to pick up again, what I ended up doing was making the whole trilogy a series, and all but dropping the individual series poems.
[the last line of OOD is "she's a series" -- I exchanged some e-mail w/ Joshua Corey but -- you know -- I'm using mathematical series, not musical]
A selected is VERY VERY interesting to me, since I've got about five different modes, and how they fit together is nowhere apparent. How about doing a jumbo one not a small one? I have about 600 pages previously-published (of varying quality) and another 200 pages in books – probably 300 pages or more online -- a “new and selected online works,” would be way fun, could even be full-length selected of around 100-200 pages. I don’t think it would be too burdensome to make into .pdf. And, since most of it was online at one point or another, I don’t care if it is free. Or if you want to try to vend it online and no one buys it and then it is free. Or if you can set it up pod once you have the .pdf and it doesn’t matter if no copies sell.

I’m about 10 – 20 years away from an “official” selected – if I ever get to that point. Just a wild whim. But we could do it!

I've got a trilogy sequel to DaDaDa (it is a four volume project) essentially completed; I'm afraid to throw too much of it online though. The last section, of which I'm particularly proud, is nearly book length and will be so when finished, but I don’t feel terribly secure in letting it all out in such a way that would preclude its paper publication, because I love these poems.

I've also got about ten mss. just sitting around (another trilogy of paper craft and cut ups, for example – required digital photos and scanning)!

I wrote the beginning of a book (30 sections, abt 35 pages) last February using Nintendo – I was reading in NY, but fresh out of the hospital – anyway, I spent the whole time either in my grim dinky hotel room with Nintendo not purchasing it but just going through the game controller options, and reading – this poem is intended to be "seeds" that pass through a number of texts on gardening (Cayce's Herbal, Torture Garden, -- there's one more), each time making a different poem -- the "seed" poem is about the right length, and doesn’t matter if gets published since it is intended-o to be part of a larger thing. There will be, I imagine, a game engine-written “player version” but I haven’t hopped on it yet.
It strikes me that this is the time to push for the ERA again.

Female soldiers are in harm's way. How can we deny them equal pay? Can opponents of ERA argue that they can't get equal pay / rank, etc. because they aren't dying in equal numbers? Isn't the argument against female soldiers at all also an argument against the war, that focusses more attention on the war?

More humanitarian aid orgs. pulled out of Iraq because just being around there, a westerner there, is so dangerous -- if you're American, you're in grave danger, whether you're "in combat" or not.


SOFTBLOW presents 4 new poets:
STEPHEN OLIVER, a transtasman poet & author of twelve
titles of poetry.
TAYLOR GRAHAM, a native Californian & a volunteer search-and- rescue dog handler in the Sierra Nevada.
BASIM FURAT, Iraq-born poet whose work here is a translation
from Arabic by Najah Al-jubaily & edited by Mark Pirie.
CATHERINE DALY, a poet from Los Angeles with an upcoming
second book, Locket (Tupelo Press, 2004).

Read their poems at http://www.softblow.com now.
SOFTBLOW invites you to stop by & let poetry change you.
It is updated every month. If you would like to be featured on SOFTBLOW, do email us 4-6 poems as well as a biography.
Claim: W. David Hager, a physician and anti-abortion activist, has been appointed to an FDA committee on reproductive drugs.
Status: True.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]
Important - Women's Health Issue
Whether you're Right or Left on the issue of women's reproductive rights, please consider the following...
President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to head up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two years, during which time its charter has lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new members. This position does not require Congressional approval.
The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics, gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy, contraception, treatment for infertility, and medical alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy termination. Dr. Hager's views of reproductive health care are far outside the mainstream and a setback for reproductive technology.
Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager is the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The book blends biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case studies from Hager's practice. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and praying. As an editor and contributing author of "The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality, Reproductive Technologies and the Family," Dr. Hager appears to have endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth control pill is an abortifacient.
Hagar's mission is religiously motivated. He has an ardent interest in revoking approval for mifepristone (formerly known as RU-486) as a safe and early form of medical abortion. Hagar recently assisted the Christian Medical Association in a "citizen's petition" which calls upon the FDA to revoke its approval of mifepristone in the name of women's health.
Hager's desire to overturn mifepristone's approval on religious grounds rather than scientific merit would halt the development of mifepristone as a treatment for numerous medical conditions disproportionately affecting women, including breast cancer, uterine cancer, uterine fibroid tumors, psychotic depression, bipolar depression and Cushing's syndrome. Women rely on the FDA to ensure their access to safe and effective drugs for reproductive health care including products that prevent pregnancy.
For some women, such as those with certain types of diabetes and those undergoing treatment for cancer, pregnancy can be a life-threatening condition. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious beliefs may color his assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote women's health. Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee. Critical drug public policy and research must not be held hostage by antiabortion politics. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women deserve no less.
WHAT CAN YOU DO?1. SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS.2. OPPOSE THE PLACEMENT OF THIS MAN BY CONTACTING THE WHITE HOUSE AND TELL THEM HE IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ON ANY LEVEL. Please email President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov or call the White House at (202) 456-1111 or (202) 456-1414 and say "I oppose the appointment of Dr. Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is unacceptable. Using the FDA to promote a political agenda is inappropriate and seriously threatens all women's health."
Origins: So often the items we're asked to research have nothing to them. That is not the case here — the piece quoted above doesn't stray too far from the facts.

In December 2002, W. David Hager was one of eleven physicians appointed to the Food and Drug Administration's Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs, a commitee whose job it is to evaluate data and make recommendations on the safety and effectiveness of marketed and experimental drugs for use in obstetrics, gynecology, and related specialties. Dr. Hager is a part-time professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University Kentucky College of Medicine and a well-known specialist on gynecologic infections, and therefore at first blush his appointment to this committee would seem a good fit.
However, he is also vehemently pro-life and has vigorously played a part in the campaign to get the FDA to withdraw its approval of mifepristone (RU-486), a drug that terminates pregnancies. He is indeed the author of a number of books in which he's advocated prayer and the reading of the Scriptures as cures for medical ills.
Dr. Hager makes no bones about his beliefs but says they won't compromise his judgment: "Yes, I'm pro-life. But that's not going to keep me from objectively evaluating medication. I believe there are some safety concerns (about mifepristone) and they should be evaluated."
Contrary to the claim made in the now widely-circulated e-mail decrying his appointment, Dr. Hager says he does not deny birth-control prescriptions to unmarried women. However, Time magazine reported that "In his private practice, two sources familiar with it say, Hager refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women."
The appointment is a done deal, and Dr. Hager is now part of this committee (although, perhaps as a result of the controversy raised by this message, he was not appointed to chair the committee).
In June 2004, Dr. Hager was reappointed to the committee for a further year. Immediately after the re-election of President Bush, the e-mail decrying the appointment of Dr. Hager was circulated anew.
Barbara "retread" Mikkelson
Additional information:
Charter of the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee (FDA)
W. David Hager (University of Kentucky)
RU-486 (Childbirth by Choice Trust)
Last updated: 10 November 2004 Petition is below.

President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to head up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two years, during which time its charter lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new members. This position does not require Congressional approval. The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions on matters relating to drugs used in he practice of obstetrics, gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy, contraception, treatment for infertility, and medical alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy termination. Dr. Hager, the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The book blends biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case studies from Hager's practice. His views of reproductive health care are far outside the mainstream for reproductive technology. Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and praying. As an editor and contributing author of "The Reproduction
Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality Reproductive Technologies and the Family," Dr. Hager appears to have endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth control pill is an abortifacient. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious eliefs may color his assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote women's health. Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee. Critical drug public policy and research must not be held hostage by antiabortion politics. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women deserve no less. There is something you can do. Below is a statement to be sent to the White House, opposing the placement of Hager.

(1) Please copy and paste this post into an e-mail, sign it, and send to
president@whitehouse as you will be #170.

Then caopy and paste this post into a fresh

email; sign it and after you sign, SEND



(2) Every 10th person who signs the list (i.e., #10, #20,

#30, etc.) -

please forward the entire e-mail to



We oppose the appointment of Dr. W. David Hager to the FDA

Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Mixing a specific religion and

medicine is unacceptable in a policy-making position. Using the FDA to

promote a political agenda or a narrowly-defined moral agenda is inappropriate and seriously threatens women's health. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the

basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American

women deserve no less.