More soon about the NYC readings & about judging a beauty contest for small children this morning at a Holiday Inn in Anaheim.
I started receiving David's newsletter when I found him online due to his work on Lenore Kandel, a female beat poet largely forgotten -- as many female poets -- for her erotic content and personal health problems (chronic pain resulting from an old motorcycle accident, which keeps her from "circulation"), and because, despite her pretty chapbooks, she only had one mass market publication (on Grove, naturally).

I am interested in publishing a Selected and New of hers on my naescent press, in 8 1/2 x 11 laminated cover version.

You can sign up for it too from his website. Sexuality.org's a huge clearinghouse, he's got many individual pages there.

COMES NATURALLY #145 (February 13, 2004)
Copyright © 2004 David Steinberg


Oh you who must leave everything that you cannot control
It begins with your family, but soon it comes around to your soul Well I've been where you're hanging, I think I can see how you're pinned: When you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned.
-- Leonard Cohen

There is a crack, a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in.
-- also Leonard Cohen

[about ten paragraphs omitted]

"I want this," poet Lenore Kandel says of powerful sex in her typically wise
"Love-Lust Poem." "I want our bodies sleek with sweat, whispering, biting,
sucking. I want the way it wraps around us and pulls us incredibly together. I
want to come and come and come with your arms holding me tight against you. I
want you to explode that hot spurt of pleasure inside me, and I want to lie
there with you, smelling the good smell of fuck that's all over us, and you kiss
me with that aching sweetness, and there is no end to love."

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some thoughts on the Cayley / Sondheim codework disscussion:

cleanliness is next to...
catherine as pure, catharsis, cleansing of the dirty
compile / compilation

suffix / suffused

prefix / broken

this relates to the stuff about Paul Lake, as he (like N. Katherine Hayles, who writes about fiction and science, but who is also now also Vice Chancellor of UCLA, both of Digital Arts AND English) is tracing ways in which scientific AI (technologists views of AI, ye olde fuzzy, and the like tend to be much dimmer and more qualified, since they are actually using these ideas) and other facets of cognitive science are undercutting some ideas about psychology, applied philosophy, and writing (identity, authoring, spectatorship, patterning), while they are throwing forth really old and dull theory, most of it by old french guys, and ideas that after all are about fiction mostly, not poetry or writing in general -- as far as they are about learning, seeking, I do think they are ultimately related to writing / poetry -- but there are so few "novels." I mean, there's some genre fiction, there are still some big postmodern novels, but there's really a lot of prose poetry and a lot of fictionalized documemoir.
two early responses to Paul Lake's poetry & science essays at CPR

a bit of back story: I feel it is outrageous how this neocon review of poetry has featured mostly male poets and reviewers

I have applied to review several times -- Garrick usually askes for sample after sample, more than five, and then claims to lose them, or just doesn't reply

while Dana Gioia claims he is politically liberal because he protested the Vietnam War and reads Weldon Kees, there are a few neoformalists who admit they are politically conservative, among them Paul Lake

there is an odd way that Lake has totally ignored all early 20th century pacifism (ie, DaDa), all feminist movements in Europe and North America in the 20th Century, all criticism and science in the first three years of the new century, and the entire history of technology / applied science in order to make his argument... this is in line with the new mission statement of CPR, which associates little magazines with modernism (not, for example, pound's "verse that print bred" but "unpopular" "little" magazines

"originally conceived to publish the difficult art of the Modernists... ended up making literature itself inaccessible."

[there are some strange echoes of Kirby Olson as well! for example that there are no feminist thinkers post-1950 / Simone de Bouvier, or that her book is necessarily the only and most central one -- at least he has that --]

This is a stealth blog since I don't spend time on it and stopped using swquakbox.

I've corresponded with Paul Lake about poetry and science, and I do remember checking his books from the library -- I'm really about poetry, technology, math & logic, never pursued study of hard science, and have no graduate education in tech. My expansive poetry / neoformalist cred comes from I think going to too many readings at the Nicholas Roerich Museum (around the corner where I lived for a time) for the wine & cheese, paintings along the lines of Stanton Macdonald-Wright later synchromist Buddhist style, and Roerich's early set designs, even before Dana Gioia took it over.

I'm going to be in Chicago at AWP on two panels, one on reviewing (the panel I designed), and one as a last minute substitution for someone on the ELO new media panel. I think the guy who founded it.

Oddly, N. Katherine Hayles, who took over the ELO, also assumed control of the reading series I was running at the UCLA Hammer museum, at least for this school year.

There are some strange things about the review, as you know, the focus on fiction, focus on the early 17th century and late 20th century science but not recent science, no technology, and only poetry from the early 20th century.

For me, tehnology has very little to do with science, but it is the theory -- mostly of mathematics and physics -- and the applications of that theory -- mostly in technology, which is more important to writing than the much-ballyhooed documented results of experimentation according to the "scientific method." Thus, I am more interested in the history of ideas, for example, than the history of technology -- of use of those ideas, but I am very very interested in all sorts of applications of ideas, too, including those in the writing / technology nexus.

brief reviews of my reading in San Francisco
1. geary st. series at café melroy

This is a great series in a café that's closed when the readings are given. In the tenderloin, it is next to a cute bar which has cheap sangria, across the street from a decent deli / wine store (if you want some snacks for the reading) and down from a great fish n' chips place. It is also across from a Goodwill that had some un-picked-over Los Angeles pottery items from the 50s and 60s before I got to it.

I was really excited to read with Denise Newman and Laynie Browne. I read poems from my book from back to front, so I could start with the female SF artists like Jay DeFeo, move through the e (transcendental number / floating point / benediction) poem, and finish up with the last bit of the poem I wrote for PDA w/ wireless (which I would love to beam & read in San Jose someday).

Denise read fantastic home/architecture poems. I didn't know her, although she looked very familiar to me, and perhaps we had been at something at the same time at some point. I hadn't known that her husband was an architect -- she wrote these poems in response to some of his questioning about her ideas about oh, the process of living, openness and privacy, natural / made landscape, at least what I got out of it. There was also some "pacific rim" aura.

Anyhoo, she was saying that her husband was from LA, and that architecture was so much better here. While they tear everything down after a short while, the architect is king. While in SF there's more code, zoning, dealing with historic modes, scales, and use of space. This reminded me of the way that in LA, the writer was supposed to be king in tv (before reality tv), but a peon in the movies, since a movie is big budget and collaborative, but there's so much pressure in tv, it is all (deadline) writing. In other words, in some places in LA, various flats and neighborhoods, all there is is architecture, built environment, or blank slate. In some portions of the industry, all there is is writing, as there's no acting or direction. And now there's no writing!

OK, back to the reading. Laynie Browne read new work, part from her novel which is really like poetry IMO, and etc. She introduced some new poems which her children were very much a part of as a concentration on permeability, which I thought was very interesting, because I haven't thought about that that much in that way. Thinking forward to the next little review here, in a way, that permeability, so much more Laynie Browne, I think, than the idea of collaboration, so much more informed by motherhood, openness, still does share something with the idea of sourced poetry and writing with constraints or writing as editing or reading -- writing as a response to what is experienced in the present, no matter the source -- in a life lived with children, there they are, there are their questions, their process of language acquisition, their developing personalities -- in a life lived with books, there they are!

When I got back I shared via e with my friend Therese Bachand that Denise Laynie and I were talking about play dates -- they set one up -- I was saying how different the SF play date is from the LA industry play date -- so competitive here, so much who your parents write for, as far as the play dates I was in on when I lived (seven years, up to six months ago) in Park La Brea in a townhouse that backed onto the same courtyard as the townhouse Ron's writing partner David Kidd (we went to school together) and his wife (an actress -- Wendy Lawless -- well known for roles in Heidi Chronicles and All in the Timing in New York), and hence all their hosted play dates.

Therese said, "They have a community there. Of course Berkeley is different from LA." She's so sensible.

It was great to meet or see again in the audience Andrew Joron (who I read with at Andrew Maxwell's series when it was still downtown at The Lab, when I got to warm up for Barbara Guest -- one of the poems I read is online at The East Village -- the one where I make a newspaper Christmas tree -- http://www.theeastvillage.com/tla/daly/p1.htm), Wendy Kramer who read at the UCLA Hammer for me, Joe Lease, Rusty Morrison (bought a book!), and one of my oldest friends in the world, Jay Cross, with his wife Paige who I hadn't met, who works at Head Start HQ in SF.

OK, this is getting really much longer and time-consuming than expected.

My blog has been sussed out by Jordan Davis, Nada Gordon, and Kent Johnson, so it is time to make it more public:


Catherine Daly
Shanna Compton: Do you play video games?

odd that you should ask; while I don't really (after Myst, I bought a playstation, we played a lot of Doom), I have designed & developed training games using various game engines

[additionally, I'd like to mention to you that there's an org. called ICT -- Institute for Creative Technologies -- here in LA which is a DoD/entertainment industry/gaming industry consortium developing not only lifelike military training virtual environments and games, but also investigating ways these game environments can be used to target weaponry. anyway, this org. is in the same building as Antioch LA -- you may know of Antioch's low res MFA program -- I taught in their BA program -- as I generally wore a suit / came from work (then at SONY), everybody thought I was ICT, not Antioch]

plus, while I was laid up in my hotel in New York, I started writing a poem (I have 30 pages already) about the Nintendo 64 / Game Cube games available on Lodgenet -- different ways the controller operates, different roles the player has -- I think it is going to be related to role play and the idea of "scening"

in this vein, I would recommend Alan Sondheim and Miekal And if you're bridging into MOOs & online gaming

so, I guess I COULD write something rather short but possibly useful as far as developing games designed to deliver or "prove" "possession" of certain types of information, or navigate certain types of environments or "virtual" and actual performance, like in my poem, but as far as being a savvy and experienced female gamer, nope, sorta useless there --


Jut back from NY. Was very sick, still am, spent allmost all my non-reading time in the hotel room,

but I was also unfortunately reminded that my new fondness for Los Angeles has been based on the fact that I have not been able to travel anywhere else for a significant period of time.

In short, this reading "tour" is reminding me how very much I prefer pretty much anywhere to LA.

Posted this to the poetics list -- I'm reposting here, as much of the stuff here is based on e-mails I send --

Voice Recognition Poetry

there's quite a lot of voice recognition poetry out there

I've got some at Puppyflowers (4, the sound issue) --

I fed tongue twisters through, and some stuff I actually wrote, some of that based on some language acquisition exercise books from the 60s that I bought at a teacher supply house which supplies a lot of vintage school stuff to set dressers --

I also used the foreign accents -- I had the voice recognition recognize the computer reader avatars with the different accents, and an assortment of machine translation into German, French... and kept looping the material through the readers and voice recognition -- there are lovely passages from my parrot, who was going a little wild during the whole experiment, there is a lot of interference from riffling pages and the voice recognition software translating the sounds of typing in with the words

all in all, it depends how you've trained your voice recognition program, and -- of course it was picking up a lot of habits as I was doing this -- I tried to keep it as dumb / coach it as little as possible -- what this revealed was just how brand and product conscious it was coded to be -- kept dropping brand names and (mostly computer) company names into the text, which, as I mentioned, was originally this noun-rich sonic environment for little kids

Walking around the room

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Riffling through papers

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Interruption of the parrot

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Interaction of the parent

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Interruption of the Ferret

the curtain and the new womb room group